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harry perkins



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to come in this late, I was away the day it happened and have been busy since then, though reading the updates every night. My initial opinion from the tapes, which has been tempered but not completely put out of mind by the posts here, was that his talk of rich kids, brats and snobs was significant. I thought that this could be a warped and distorted reaction to a class ridden society, with justified criticisms of apathetic privilege poisoned by his obsession with his own suffering. Even if this is not so, I'm convinced that environmental factors were important, from the availability of guns, to the failure of the mental health care (though it would be a wrong turn to start acting like every disturbed person is a killer and treating them accordingly, I guess the problem would be general overstretch and inability to properly care due to funding cuts) to the violence of the surrounding society. Though I'd accept that it was medicl factors which meant that this person became a killer while others didn't, it was society which both magnbified that potential and allowed it to come to fruition.

On a lighter note I'd have never ever thought that GG_fan was a girl.
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Mandy



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

harry perkins wrote:
On a lighter note I'd have never ever thought that GG_fan was a girl.


Smile

Note, George on tonight's show was talking about violence in the USA, including McCain's "Bomb Iran" joke.

This is discussed in thread :
http://couchtripper.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=3907
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nekokate



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

harry perkins wrote:
I'd have never ever thought that GG_fan was a girl.


Me either, Harry. Me either.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's enough of the jibes.
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Bat



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ood av fort vat bat woz a youman?
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Kezza
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As many of you may already be aware, over 1/3 of the students attending Virginia Tech originate from the Northern Virginia/Washington DC Metropolitan Area (my current residence).

Follows are 2 news items from Sunday's Washington Post ( 22 April 2007). I found Item 2 to be of especially great interest.

Item 1:
To our friends and colleagues in the media

We thank you for your coverage during the past week, telling the stories of our friends and loved ones, sharing in our mourning, and helping us all begin the process of healing.

Classes resume Monday, and we ask you to respect our grieving and recovery. Therefore, no reporters or cameras will be allowed in any academic buildings on campus. Additionally, satellite trucks will not be allowed on the campus proper, but will be allowed in periphery locations; see media truck guidelines for details.

Campus does remain open, and reporters are free to walk around campus grounds. However, if you wish to engage students, faculty, and staff, please be respectful of their deep emotions, concerns, and trauma in this extremely difficult time.

We thank you for your cooperation.

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Item 2:

'Looking Back . . . We Should Have Done Something'
Roommate Recounts Police Visits, Trouble With Women, a Faceless Facebook Image

By Michael E. Ruane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 22, 2007; Page A11

"Question Mark" was getting to be an aggravation.

The whole thing with the imaginary girlfriend, Jelly, the supermodel he'd say he was making out with in his locked room. The weird faceless picture he posted on Facebook that was supposed to be him.

Andy Koch shared a suite with Virginia Tech gunman Seung Hui Cho and others in 2005. When he heard that Cho had committed the murders, Koch recalled occasional incidents that by themselves had seemed odd but not necessarily threatening at the time.

A detailed account of that harrowing day, pieced together from scores of interviews with shooting victims, witnesses and other participants.

The scary lines from Shakespeare he scrawled on a girl's dorm door. The phone call where he said he was on vacation with Russia's president, Vladimir Putin. His claim that he lived in room 666 of Cochrane Hall, which has only five floors.

The sunglasses. The buzz haircuts he gave himself in his room. The calls to his roommates in which he pretended he was somebody named "Question Mark," and they all knew it was Seung.

Andy Koch was fed up with his roommate, Seung Hui Cho, he recalled yesterday in a telephone interview from Blacksburg. "Who does this?" Koch said to himself.

In the four months before the Virginia Tech mass murderer was briefly committed to a psychiatric clinic in December 2005, his bizarre conduct unfolded in the usually innocent world of Facebook, laptops and dorm-door erase boards.

Amid the social whirl and the all-nighters and the classes, Cho first began to strike people as not quite right.

Koch, 21, has emerged as among the first to alert school authorities about Cho. Since Cho's rampage, he has replayed the events of 2005 over and over, wondering if he might have done more.

"They were little incidents that none of them could be added up at anything," he said. "But now looking back on it, we should have done something."

Koch, then a sophomore management major from Richmond, said he and two friends roomed with Cho in fall 2005 in an eight-person suite. A friend of Koch's, John Eide, roomed with Cho.

Koch said Cho was dropped off at the start of school with little family fanfare. "Just a shy and quiet kid," he said.

Cho first got their attention at a frat party that September. Students were standing around, drinking beers and catching up.

Cho mentioned he had an imaginary girlfriend. "He said her name was Jelly and she called him Spanky, and that she was a supermodel and she traveled through space," Koch said.

"We were like, 'Really?' " he said.

I told my parents, and I told other friends, and they kind of laughed," he said. Then one day Koch went to Cho's room and Cho wouldn't open the door, saying he was with Jelly: "We're making out," Cho said.

Koch said it seemed weird mainly in hindsight. His first real worry came the Sunday night campus police arrived to speak to Cho about bothering a female classmate.

Koch said he was asleep when two uniformed officers banged loudly on the suite door. Koch opened and the police asked for Cho.

Cho later told the roommates that he'd apparently frightened a girl when he went to her room to "look her in the eye." He said he'd gone there to see if she was cool, and instead saw "promiscuity" in her gaze. What she saw in his was enough for her to call police, Koch indicated.

Cho communicated with classmates, in part, via his Internet Facebook profile. But instead of the usual photograph people post, Cho posted an illustration of a Zorro-like figure whose face was blank except for a large question mark. Thus was born the "question mark" persona, Koch said.

Cho again began bothering girls. He frightened a friend of Koch's by writing on her door board lines from "Romeo and Juliet," in which Romeo says: "My name, dear saint, is hateful to myself. . . . Had I it written, I would tear the word."

Cho was again admonished by police. Then Cho e-mailed Koch: "I might as well kill myself now." Koch asked if he meant that, and phoned his father. Koch said both he and his father voiced concern to campus police.

Shortly after that, Cho was taken to the psychiatric clinic. The next semester Cho seemed to behave, and this year Koch lived off campus.

Tuesday morning, when Koch learned that Cho was the killer, he was stunned. "I was freaked for a couple minutes," he said, "then I realized I needed to write everything down."

Item 1 source:
http://www.vt.edu/tragedy/

Item 2 source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/21/AR2007042101223.html

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The second article, interviewing the killer's former roommate, certainly supports the notion that "hindsight is 20/20." It makes one realise that abnormal behaviour is often overlooked, until one "connects the dots." Personally, I have been in a couple of situations where an individual's final actions have taken me by surprise, but upon reflection, the sum of the actions equal its outcome. Sadly, I am not the only one (albeit to a lesser degree, of course) to succumb to thinking: "this behaviour is odd, but surely it is nothing to worry about."

Surviour's guilt, eh?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The college reopens today. I wish everyone going back all the strength they will need.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a documentary on the BBC tonight marking the first anniversary of the shooting. Here's a trailer for it - CLICK.

I'll be capping this for sure.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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