This would be pretty offensive to a lot of Chinese people as Karl does the equivalent of holocaust denial.
The Chinese Red Cross reported 2600 deaths and Amnesty have documented 100s of cases including the guy who stood in front of the tank who was executed a few days later.
Some didn't get such a nice tank driver...
Here's some 'non existent' footage.
Karl is blinded with this communism is always good no matter what. Just last week he was an apologist for the East German regime which was completely odious with the hellish Stasi at the heart of it.
Ironically there is no way Karl as an alcoholic vagrant thief in the 1970s would have survived in East Germany or China.
They show armoured cars ploughing over the top of people, gunshots, people on the ground with what appear to be bullet wounds, footage of hospitals, reporters saying that they are being shot at and that people beside them have been killed.
I think he's being far too forgiving of the Chinese regime, as there's no doubt they waded in heavy-handed, but his point is that there's no actual footage of so many (3000) people being killed.
As an aside, the footage I saw wasn't much different from British army actions in NI over the years.
Tiananmen Square protest leader released from jail in China Liu Zhihua last to be freed of those jailed on hooliganism charge following Tiananmen Square protests 20 years ago guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday 19 May 2009
The last-known prisoner jailed on the charge of hooliganism after protesting against the crackdown on the 1989 Tiananmen Square democracy movement has been released ahead of the 20th anniversary of the suppression, a rights group said Tuesday. The Dui Hua Foundation said Liu Zhihua was one of four workers who organised a factory strike in the central province of Hunan to protest at the 3-4 June military action, which left hundreds, if not thousands, dead.
The strike took place at the state-owned Xiangtan Electrical Machinery Works, where more than 10,000 people were employed, and had the added sensitivity of being in Xiangtan, the home town of Mao Zedong, founder of communist China, it said. Liu, who was 24 at the time, was accused of inciting crowds with anti-government speeches, the San Francisco-based group said, citing media accounts at the time. He was given a life sentence. Liu was freed from Loudi prison in Hunan in January but word of his release only trickled out last week, the group said, citing an unnamed source.
Loudi prison's telephone number was classified as a state secret and not listed, according to directory assistance. Government and police officials in Hunan did not respond to faxed requests for information. Liu, Peng Shi and Liu Jian were given life sentences on the now-obsolete charge of hooliganism. The fourth man, Chen Gang, was sentenced to death with a two-year reprieve. All the sentences were reduced over the years, the group said.
Earlier this month Dui Hua estimated that 30 men remained in prison for clashes with China's military during the Tiananmen crackdown – a steep drop from the original 60 it said were still behind bars. It revised the number because of new information about prisoner releases from the Chinese government and a Chinese human rights campaigner.
The prisoners – then mostly young workers – were jailed for burning army trucks, stealing equipment or attacking soldiers as the military advanced towards student-led protesters on Tiananmen Square in central Beijing. Their continued imprisonment underscores the way the communist leadership handled the crackdown: harshly punishing the ordinary Chinese who joined the protests while mainly giving lighter treatment to the students and others in the educated elite who led them.
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It's interesting to see that the Guardian are implicitly challenging the '3000 killed' line in this article.
Adie was on Mayo on Radio 5 this afternoon and talked at length about the horrendous bloodshed at Tiananmen Square and how much was filmed and why. I think the radio interview will be on the Mayo podcast but I in any case the TV program should sate Karl's ghoulish lust to personally see some more bloodshed. In fact Adie describes her determination to keep filming and reporting because she knew that the Chinese state would cover it up and that there was only the Canadian team around(the one already posted in this thread) as most of the journalists were filming in the wrong place.
Has anyone got Karl's email address because he needs to watch this program tonight and then put up an apology for his ignorant crap on YouTube?
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