Galloway met Uday Hussein ?

[tom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlzqMRRyDaM


this man had personally tortured and killed thousands of people and raped dozens of little girls, yet Galloway called him "Your Excellency"
Galloway met him many times, notice he said "its nice to meet you AGAIN".
on other occasions Galloway denied that he ever met him at all

[faceless]

When has he ever denied meeting him? The correct protocol if I met the queen would be to call her 'your majesty' - I'd prefer to call her a fucking parasite, but it's not the done thing. As for Galloway having met him 'many times', how do you work that out? How many is many?

[seshme]

The queen hasn't personally raped and tortured thousands of people.

Anyway in this meeting where you are calling her 'your majesty' would you have a big toadying grin on your face and spend the time telling her how great she is?

[nekokate]

I don't understand what your point is, Tom. First of all, I'm not aware of any occasion George has denied meeting Uday Hussein, and I'm not exactly a "casual" follower of his career. Face makes the fair point that any foreign representative meeting him would have to address him in that way - he was very self-important.

I'm not sure what the purpose of his meetings with Uday were, but I think it's safe to say it wasn't for child-raping tips, it will have been for an attempt to open up some diplomacy. Same as when George met twice with Saddam: people always neglect to mention the reasons he was meeting him (to try to bring an end to the illegal sanctions and then to try and convince the overbearing sod to be more co-operative with the Blix team) they only mention that he did meet him and say it in such a way as to make it seem terrible.

It would have been a much better post if you'd given an argument and a point of view, and maybe backed it up with some facts. Let's have some evidence that George denied he ever met him. Let's also try and find out what the meetings were for.

[tom]

[faceless]

Tariq Aziz is no monster - and the fact that he is Catholic, like Galloway, might have something to do with them becoming pals. The wiki page doesn't seem to have anything of great substance against him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Aziz

They've had him captured for 5 years before finally bringing charges in April this year - suggesting that he has to do with the execution of 40 traders who were trying to profit during the sanctions period. I don't know any more details, but if they applied the same level of investigation to their own leaders, the jails would be filled in a day.

[tom]

[quote="faceless"]Tariq Aziz is no monsterquote][b]

that's exactly why galloway was not afraid to admit his relationship with him. but he probably had the same kind of relationship with other members of the regime but simply kept it secret. that's why he asked the camera guy not to film the meeting with Uday.

galloway had repeatedly denied he greeted saddam as he did, saying that he referred to the iraqi people. but if you listen to that clip carefully you'll notice that he said "Sir.." and "...hoping to meet with Yourself". which proves that he was referring directly to saddam himself, and not the people.

galloway obviously lied so that it wouldn't look like he admired saddam. I wonder if he had a similar excuse for his meeting with Uday?
also after saddam's death galloway said "saddam hussein will live in history long after these dogs (Bush and Blair) are forgotten". this indicates that he did in fact admire saddam. in Big brother he said that saddam wasn't hated by the iraqi people at all. that was also another lie.

I can find you the links for the videos of all these things if you want

[faceless]

I've seen all these videos before - my personal opinion is that he allowed himself to be caught up in a situation which he should have been more careful about, even though he was there to try and help the Iraqi people.

Have you watched the documentary 'From Big Ben to Baghdad'? It puts a lot in perspective.

http://couchtripper.com/forum2/video.php?t=8189

[nekokate]

[seshme]

[faceless]

You can think what you like. Saddam's regime prevented almost all the sectarian deaths which Bush and Blair's war currently allows to continue- every bloody day. Sometimes you need a dictator, Tito had a similar role in Yugoslavia and what happened after his death?

[tom]

[ItzMeRon]

You know......Something else that always seems to miss the record here:


GG was sent to most of these middle eastern matters on behalf of his people and he served them well. You cannot send your best man for a certain job out on behalf of the people, and then dog him for it afterward because you see an opportunity to kill that person's political career. That is just dirty and bullshit. In America, we call that a setup.

Saddam was installed by the American government. It was America who created their own monster. Once America relized that Saddam was going to lead his country the way he wanted to without America's wishes, then all good things suddenly turned bad. GG is not to blame for anything dealing with Saddam. America holds the major blame, and first.

How quick people forget that GG is and was a public servant. He is and was a represenative of his government. And he is and was a representative of his people. We should be overjoyed that we can find atleast one person who has such positive relationships in the middle east and just an astute understanding of the background history over there, where most others do not. This is why he was sent. This is why he is taking heat for things. I do not fault GG whatsoever in anything written in this entire thread.

Specifically, Tom.....On the video you posted and made some reflections to.......Was GG suppose to show up there, on behalf of his people, charged with goals to complete and say "You peice of shit! You raped and killed thousands of people but I am here to talk to you on behalf of my people."? I would think not. And furthmore, if that was his attitude going in then he just should have stayed home that day because NOTHING would have been accomplished. So what if he meet him several times. I wouldnt even give a shit if later we found out GG licked his balls. GG was and is the best man for middle eastern affairs and so THIS is why we find him involved in such.

Scumbags of a goverment title can be called "Your Excellency". It is a title or a reference to his title. Do not get sucked in by the propaganda machine. It must be sad for those who regard authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. Once you have read and understand the entire picture, you will be able to snap your fingers upon reading/viewing something and say "That is just not true". Just do not do that to the truth.

[ItzMeRon]

[tom]