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Skylace Admin
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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eefanincan wrote: | You are very right Kezza --- and I still think that this storyline is being covered in an appropriate manner. And the show is following up with service announcements after it airs. Basically, this is a "if I don't think about it, this can't be true" kind of thing. People just can't deny that this isn't happening in society. |
I agree with both of you and that's such a good point to bring up Kezza. |
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misslisalynn
Joined: 12 May 2006 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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This storyline is a killer for me to watch and can't wait for it to be over. I think the writers are doing a good job so far and I hope it continues when Tony is exposed. The after effects when the abuser is a family member is something the entire family deals with for a very long time because memories of the abuser are hard to erase. And Bianca's feelings of guilt for being the one who brought the abuser into to home should be expressed as well. Just my 2 cents and not even worth half of that. |
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eefanincan Admin
Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Bianca's feelings of guilt for being the one who brought the abuser into to home should be expressed as well.
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I was thinking the same thing misslisa.... not that she would suspect anything at this point, but when it all comes out about what Tony's been doing, I hope the writers do the right thing and portray her as it might happen in real life. Deep down I think Bianca really loves her children and will do what she needs to. |
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faceless admin
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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There may be many as 250,000 people in Britain with an active sexual interest in children when only 30,000 have been caught, convicted and registered New Statesman readers who are also habitual viewers of Eastenders may constitute a fairly small demographic. But you may at least be aware of the current furore over the soap’s portrayal of a father’s sexual abuse of his 15-year old stepdaughter.
There may be some justification for the hundreds complaining about these distressing issues being presented in prime time: equally it is courageous for the Beeb to include a scenario which challenges the public’s perception of what is a ‘typical paedophile’.
The repellent Tony’s grooming and seduction of his stepdaughter, Whitney, is a much more familiar pattern of abuse than the more commonly held image of predators lurking in parks. NSPCC say over 75 per cent of offenders are closely known to the victim.
By unhappy coincidence, the Home Office launched last week, with an unashamed tilt at populism, their pilots for ‘Sarah’s Law’. Under the scheme, worried parents can be told details about anyone with direct access to their child, who has a conviction for a sexual offence.
Community disclosure, the brain-child of former Home Secretary John Reid, is aimed specifically at single mothers who are often entrapped into relationships by paedophiles targeting the children.
However, the abusive stepfather in ‘Eastenders’ has no convictions for sexual crimes. If Whitney’s mum, Bianca, asked for a check under Sarah’s Law, her Tony would get the all-clear. The NSPCC, who are advising the BBC scriptwriters, reject the government’s claim the new procedure is certain to enhance child protection. Head of Policy, Diane Sutton feared Sarah’s Law’s ability to “create a false sense of security”.
The vast majority of child abusers have no convictions at all. Criminologist Mark Williams-Thomas estimates there may be as many as 250,000 people in Britain with an active sexual interest in children when only 30,000 have been caught, convicted and signed the sex offender’s register. The trouble with Sarah’s Law, is it hardens the public’s view that the threat to children’s safety comes predominantly from convicted paedophiles. The new parental right for information on offenders is, in effect, an illusion of empowerment.
The Home Office consulted on Sarah’s Law with a host of children’s charities as well as police and probation services. Their almost universal opposition proved no brake to Ministers who preferred to listen to the views of victims’ groups than the recognised experts in offender management. One officer from the Met put it harshly when he said, “just because you’ve been in a car crash doesn’t make you an accident investigator”.
The minister responsible for child protection, Vernon Coaker, insists police will only divulge such information which is, “relevant, necessary and proportionate”. Parents are to be warned they face prosecution if they share the information with others. But there is no real prospect of this experiment remaining in ‘vitro’ when the stakes are as high as the protection of children. People talk. Parents are not so selfish to be solely concerned about their own child’s safety and not their friend’s and neighbour’s. Some would see a fine for a breach of a ‘paedo’s’ confidentiality a price worth paying or even a badge of honour.
The Home Office has also turned a blind eye to the thoroughly negative experience of the U.S. on widening disclosure. Under Megan’s Law, known as community notification, there is unfettered access to databases containing details on thousands of offenders including their addresses and photographs.
Reports of low level violence aimed at registered sex offender is fairly common but public disorder and outright vigilantism less so. One notorious case was William Elliott from Maine who had a conviction for 'sex abuse with a minor'. His offence was to sleep with his 15 year-old sweetheart, three months before her 16th birthday. Years later, loner Stephen Marshall looked William up on Maine's sex offender website, located his trailer home and shot him dead with a .45 Magnum.
Scott Taylor, is Chief of Community Corrections in Oregon and has worked with sex offenders for over 30 years. When asked what would be the ideal system for managing them he described, “a multi-agency approach where police, probation and prison officials would meet regularly to assess risk and determine appropriate monitoring levels of all offenders. If we had that we probably wouldn’t need community notification [Megan’s Law]." The picture he painted was an uncannily close portrayal of the UK’s Multi-Agency Public Protection Arrangements (MAPPA).
In many states, Megan’s Law has been compromised by locally elected officials imposing undeniably tough but ultimately pointless conditions on offenders. Compelling them to be identified on their driving licences, by banners on their front doors or even on their car number plates only adds to their further vilification. It is not surprising to hear the outcome, in many areas, is a third of registered offenders disappearing from the authorities. Even if they stay in touch, many refuse to provide a home address. Detective Bob Schilling of Seattle Police Department conceded, “50 per cent of the city’s highest risk offenders declare themselves homeless”.
The lessons from the US are clear; widespread community knowledge of offenders leads directly to their hounding and isolation. Ultimately the policy is self-defeating; an offender who has gone to ground is an unmanaged offender and a greater risk to children. Martin Narey, CEO of Barnado’s echoed this fear last week when he spoke of his “grave concerns” and added bluntly, "Sarah's Law will put children in greater danger". Other measures, such as last week’s proposal to compel released offenders to undergo polygraph testing as part of their probation, has a much stronger evidence base from the US in reducing harm to children.
Dan Norris, Labour MP for Wansdyke, is a strong supporter of the government’s disclosure pilots but he also stresses the need for substantial public education. “Information on offenders alone doesn’t protect children. I have seen in the US how it needs to be combined with a community education programme. If we don’t so the same we’ll be missing a trick. Educated parents are able to make properly informed dispassionate decisions."
But, in the context of child protection, it is always going to be hard to disentangle the rational from the raw emotion. Child abuse immediately makes parents raise a psychological drawbridge and are then oblivious to where dangers to their children really lie. John Reid himself struggled to hide his personal feelings. Although he claimed the cause was driven by a simple conviction, “such information [on sex offenders] should not be the sole preserve of officialdom,” last June’s Child Sex Offenders Review was announced with the grisly promise of instigating chemical castration.
Reid’s successor, Jacqui Smith, in place of justification just offers us ethereal banalities such as, “I want to see every child living their lives free from fear”. Well, who doesn’t? A home secretary should be providing the public with practical solutions rather than floating some utopian aspiration.
The producers of Eastenders, labouring under a welter of tabloid protest and viewers’ complaints, are attempting to make people get past the initial revulsion of the act of abuse and accept the grim fact that ‘paedophiles’ are very often members of the same family. A BBC spokeswoman said, "we appreciate that for some viewers this storyline will have particular resonance and significance. In running it, it's certainly not our intention to cause distress or upset, either to those who've suffered from sexual abuse or their families. Our aim is instead to raise awareness of this very sensitive issue.”
The producers’ dilemma is instructive to children’s charities and Ministers alike on how to confront the issue in a digestible manner which can stimulate an objective debate. If it does, it won’t be thanks to Sarah’s Law. |
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Twirley
Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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My brother's friend is on the Sex Offenders' List. The reason: as a young kid (less than 10) he was abused by his father, as were his older brothers. A few years later, as a teenager, he was forced to rape his younger brother - his father standing over him and watching. Now, I know they say that the abused have a higher chance of abusing, but this guy has to be so careful when he's around children it's unbelievable. I realise I don't know him that well but from the times I've met him I couldn't see him doing anything like the experts think he will. Surely, there should be a different register for people like him. He has to report to the police a few times a year and they can do a house search whenever they like. I think that's enough. I don't think the whole community should see his name on a Sex Offenders' List...it opens him up to vigilantes.
This issue is NOT black & white. |
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Skylace Admin
Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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The issues are never black and white for sure. That's a hard call. Some people who are on the list really don't need to be there. I think each case should be reviewed separately and handled as such. Those who are actually a risk for going after youths should have their pictures out there but there are those who don't need to be.
It's just another example on how they make a blanket rule for everyone. I understand why they do it, but it doesn't make it any better for anyone. |
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eefanincan Admin
Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Good point twirley --- these issues are never black and white. Perhaps they think they're doing the most good by making one blanket rule, but it sure doesn't seem fair to those who are unnecessarily punished by it. |
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Twirley
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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eefanincan wrote: | Good point twirley --- these issues are never black and white. Perhaps they think they're doing the most good by making one blanket rule, but it sure doesn't seem fair to those who are unnecessarily punished by it. |
I suppose it's a side effect of living in a democratic society - majority rules. |
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eefanincan Admin
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Twirley wrote: |
I suppose it's a side effect of living in a democratic society - majority rules. |
Good point --- and that seems to work a lot of the time. I'm not sure what the answer is to all of this. I don't really think there's an easy one. |
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faceless admin
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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SpursFan1902 Pitch Queen
Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sunshine State
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Just as an aside -- What was up with Whitney's color in the scenes where she is telling Tony and Bianca what Lucy's decision was?? She looked sorta orange. EE is a big show, they need to spend a little more on their spray tans!! |
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pirtybirdy 'Native New Yorker'
Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Location: FL USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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SpursFan1902 wrote: | Just as an aside -- What was up with Whitney's color in the scenes where she is telling Tony and Bianca what Lucy's decision was?? She looked sorta orange. EE is a big show, they need to spend a little more on their spray tans!! |
Yeah, I noticed that also. You make a great point about them spending a bit more money, unless they did that on purpose as if the character used cheap spray tan because that's what a poor teen in East London would do. It was quite noticeable though. You'd think they'd have made mention as to why she was so dark into the storylines somewhere. |
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SpursFan1902 Pitch Queen
Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sunshine State
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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That's a thought, maybe they were trying to make her look real. Weird that it was only that scene. You would think with white uniform blouses, that it would have shown up in other scenes as well. Maybe the actress did something stupid on her own... |
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Skylace Admin
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, bets on how long it takes him to move on to Tiff and Whit twigs what's going on. |
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eefanincan Admin
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Skylace wrote: | Okay, bets on how long it takes him to move on to Tiff and Whit twigs what's going on. |
Not too long. |
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