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luke
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| Skylace wrote: | | I will remember that for the next time I teach sex education. |
i was going to say, theres a difference between learning, which i'm all for, and actually doing. you know you can say, this how the christians or muslims or buddhists do their thing, but can't really make someone pray to buddha! i mean personally i don't think theres any harm in it, because i don't believe in religion anyway - so you're just talking to yourself, but its the parents that are going to get funny - i bet the kids wouldn't really mind.
anyway, i hope skylace will put the idea forward for sex education classes  |
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faceless
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| As I pointed out earlier - unless you have the faith in that religion then you aren't praying to it. It's merely the acting out of a scenario. |
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luke
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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i wonder though what the educational merit of it is? you can tell them, the teacher can give a demonstration etc, what do they gain by acting it out? making someone act it out is always going to cause trouble with some people - it shouldn't, but you just know it will - and then it just adds to the divide between people instead of what i guess they were trying to do - bringing people together through greater understanding of peoples differences  |
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faceless
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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It only adds to the divide for the children of people who already have entrenched opinions - and they should be excluded! Get them out! haha
I've emailed the school to ask if they have a full version of the story, so hopefully they'll reply. |
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nekokate
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| faceless wrote: | | I've emailed the school to ask if they have a full version of the story, so hopefully they'll reply. |
Good one! I hope they get back to you because I'd very much like to hear the story before it got dragged backwards through the Daily Mail's hedge. |
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shillax
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Teaching children about other religions is different than punishing them for not praying to a God they don't believe in. If a Muslim child refused to pray to Jesus in a reversed scenario and was then given a detention for rightly refusing to do so there would be an outcry. I know how Muslims pray to their God, I didn't have to physically do it to know either.
Can't wait for the 'Let's learn Islamic cookery' lesson. "Ok kids we've learned the theory, now let's do the practical. Any of you who refuse to watch a pig bleed to death after having it's throat cut is just ignorant and disruptive. Detention for you!" |
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faceless
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Watch a pig bleed to death? |
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luke
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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they're special pigs from the kosher shop 
be interesting to see what the school have to say, and how - if they have - the mail twisted it |
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shillax
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Semantics. You know what I mean. |
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Skylace
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| faceless wrote: | | How many kids are involved in sex at the age of 11 compared to those who are involved in religion? It's not a fair comparison at all. |
it is a fair comparison. Not to mention in most schools sex education (here in the States) starts in 5th grade. So 9-10 year old students. so 100% of my students took part in studying world religions and sex education. I also know my speakers brought in many items and demonstrated many parts of the rituals. The students did learn and my presenters were always thankful to me for helping raise awareness and tolerance of religious differences. |
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faceless
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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If children were legally forbidden from religion in the same way as they are from sex then it would be a fair comparison - I've seen a lot of damage caused by lack of religious knowledge and the more it is pushed the less that will become, apart from the obvious extremists of course.
But well done on at least trying to get them to understand other religions - I'm sure the presenters you had in were grateful.
edit: the last paragraph wasn't meant to sound sarcastic when I wrote it... sorry Sky. |
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faceless
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| shillax wrote: | | Semantics. You know what I mean. |
It's not an issue of semantics at all because it shows that you don't know much about Islam. And that's the problem in general...
This is the 3rd anniversary of the London 7/7 bombings, yet the fear that the government and media have whipped up over it vastly outweighs the much worse situation that London was in during the IRA campaign. Every other day in the 80s there was a bomb scare - they even fired a rocket into Downing St - and yet the media today focuses entirely on the FEAR we should all have for Islam based on one action.
It's nonsense. |
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shillax
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I know that it's a very dangerous religion. It is slowly but surely creeping into every aspect of our British lives. Things we used to do can't be done anymore in case it offends a Muslim. They don't want to abide by our laws, yet they say we don't 'integrate' with them. Oh lol.
Ps. I know they don't eat pigs. I said pig for a reason.
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faceless
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Saying that it is a dangerous religion is not acceptable here. Please keep that bigoted crap off this site. |
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nekokate
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| shillax wrote: | | I know that it's a very dangerous religion. It is slowly but surely creeping into every aspect of our British lives. Things we used to do can't be done anymore in case it offends a Muslim. They don't want to abide by our laws, yet they say we don't 'integrate' with them. Oh lol. |
What are you talking about?? It didn't take long for you to go mental - I was quite enjoying reading your posts as someone who also has the balls to stir up a bit of shit and play Devil's advocate now and then, but I'm starting to think you're genuinely talking out of your arse.
What things can't "we" do anymore incase it offends a Muslim?? I can't think of one. And who says they don't want to abide by our laws? They do abide by our laws, and the ones that don't are punished under our legal system in the same way anyone is. Thirdly, which Muslims say we don't integrate with them? Isn't it actually the other way around considering they're the minority? |
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