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 Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: Seven Deadly Social Sins |
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Vatican Lists Seven Social Sins
By Flavia Krause-Jackson
March 10 (Bloomberg) -- The Vatican has put together a list of seven ``social'' sins that includes drug abuse, littering, genetic tampering and creating poverty. Echoing the concept of the seven cardinal vices -- set to paper by Pope Gregory I in the sixth century -- the new list adds a social dimension, Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, said in an interview yesterday with the Vatican's official newspaper l'Osservatore Romano.
``You offend God not only by stealing, taking the Lord's name in vain or coveting your neighbor's wife, but also by wrecking the environment, carrying out morally debatable experiments that manipulate DNA or harm embryos,'' said Girotti, who is responsible for the body that oversees confessions. Pope Benedict XVI has spoken out on social issues throughout his three-year papacy. He backs a current political initiative to outlaw abortions after 90 days and encouraged Catholics to abstain from a 2005 referendum on easing restrictive laws on fertility treatments, which failed to achieve the 50 percent participation level to make the vote to change the law binding.
The seven social sins are:
1. ``Bioethical' violations such as birth control
2. ``Morally dubious'' experiments such as stem cell research
3. Drug abuse
4. Polluting the environment
5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor
6. Excessive wealth
7. Creating poverty
The original deadly sins:
1. Pride
2. Envy
3. Gluttony
4. Lust
5. Anger
6. Greed
7. Sloth
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To be honest, I don't really have a major problem with any of these (apart from the vatican being so wealthy). But let's hope Tony Bliar is thinking on... |
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SpursFan1902
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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I have to admit, it is sorta the pot calling the kettle black...maybe the vatican should help that "widening divide"....
However, my pope (just love him -- not so sure why, but I do!) does look particularly natty in his red hat!! |
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Skylace
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| I have a large problem birth control and stem cell research being the top two. Guess I'm going to hell. But I already knew that. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| fair enough, but the other things are causing millions of living people to live shite lives - they are more important surely? |
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eefanincan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems like the Vatican's being a bit two faced on these (no offence intended to those who follow the Vatican...). I find it hard to swallow advice on poverty when the pope wears Prada shoes. |
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luke
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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lets not get drug abuse and drug use confused 
the last four to me mean we have to take apart capitalism ... sweet! |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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spot on Luke - that's just what I was thinking... I don't abuse drugs (any more), I use them...
As for getting rid of capitalism - that'll do more to help lives around the world than anything, so bring it on Benedict! haha |
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nekokate
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: Seven Deadly Social Sins |
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I have no problems at all with 3 to 7 - they are obvious to anyone who isn't a bastard, anyway.
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| Quote: | 1. Bioethical violations such as birth control.
2. Morally dubious experiments such as stem cell research. |
Oh, deary me. Ethics and morality cannot be defined. Ethics sit on a sliding scale based on culture and creed, so to call something an "Ethical violation" is nothing more than an opinion, and holds no weight as an absolute. To say "Morally dubious experiments such as stem cell research" is about as opinionated, ridiculous and lacking in intellectual rigour as saying "Utterly crap colours such as yellow".
In my opinion stem cell research is a wonderful and totally humanitarian adventure. It's similar to people carrying donor cards so that their organs can be used to help others if they die in an accident. No one is breeding fetuses just to kill them, but if a human being does tragically die in utero then why not use it to further our understanding of medical science and hopefully work out ways to save people who are still alive. Christopher Reeve might still be alive. Stephen Hawking might be made to walk again. I'd go as far as to say it's infact morally dubious to disallow these extremely important experiments.
If you want a soundbite, then I'd offer you "Papal Bull". (Get what I did there?)  |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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But on the basis of your argument all laws are simply opinion - rather than common sense as is usually the case.
The problem I have with a lot of detractors of the Church is that on the one hand they say that the Church should allow contraception to slow the population growth and on the other they want other people (not many in Mozambique I'll bet) to use stem cell research to live longer!
I say that as having been born catholic, but not going to Mass for years... |
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nekokate
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| faceless wrote: | | The problem I have with a lot of detractors of the Church is that on the one hand they say that the Church should allow contraception to slow the population growth and on the other they want other people (not many in Mozambique I'll bet) to use stem cell research to live longer! |
I don't want contraception to slow down the population growth, I want it to prevent the spread of disease. And I'm not a "detractor", either, just because I disagree with some of the statements their "representative on earth" made. I also disagree with many things in other religions, but that doesn't mean I don't respect people's right to believe in them if they choose to.
All I'm saying is that if your religion prevents you from supporting something then so be it, but don't demand that people who couldn't give a toss about your religion should follow your rules. That's authoritarianism.
I always like to use this analogy: If I choose to join a club where everyone must wear a red hat, then I've explicitly agreed that if I am found hatless I can be condemned by the other members, but we would have no right to condemn hatless people who have not joined, nor care to join our club.
The same goes for things like this - if the pope wants to condemn stem cell research then let him, and let his followers make up their minds to agree with him. But I'm not a Catholic, and neither are millions upon millions of others who want this research. So condemn away, but don't attempt to snuff out the free will of others who have made a different decision.
This is not directed at you, Face, by the way - just the world in general. |
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Skylace
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| faceless wrote: | | fair enough, but the other things are causing millions of living people to live shite lives - they are more important surely? |
Of course, but that's just common sense and falls under what most religions are supposed to do. Take care of the poor, look out for others, etc. All corner stones to many major religions.
I personally am not a religious person. I feel that organized religion causes more problems in the world than solves them.
You don't need the Pope or the Dahlia Llama to tell you about having too much and keeping it from others is a bad thing. Of course, the hypocrisy that is being displayed by the comments rubs me the wrong way as well. Don't have too much wealth? Hello? McPope, Hello!
As for birth control, like Kate I think it's great for stopping the spread of disease but for me it's because I don't want any rugrats. I don't use condoms, I use a little pill, so for me it's not the spread of disease.
I'm getting myself worked up here, I can tell. And it's nothing to do with what has been said by anyone here but the church (and it makes me then think of Baptists, Mormons, etc). I just do not like organized religion. End of. |
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Twirley
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I'm with you on everything you said, Sky.  |
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