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luke
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 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: Craig Murray : 'Goebbels' Gardner and the 'terror threat' |
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| Quote: | Frank Goebbels Gardner Strikes Again
With The Queen's Speech tomorrow and Gordon Brown intent on ramping through 2 month detention without trial for Muslims, the traditional ceremony has been performed of wheeling out the Head of MI5 in advance of the Queen's Speech to tell terrible lies about the extent of the terror threat. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6149726.stm Jonathan "Pinnochio" Evans tells us there are 2,000 potential terrorists in the UK - and then throws in casually that it could be double that.
That is plainly bollocks. it is far too high a figure. The IRA - who were much more persistent and lethal terrorists in the UK - had a membership in the 80's, when at the height of their bombing campaign, of about 90 actual terrorists. The current 2,000 clearly have severe productivity problems by comparison.
Any genuine security expert will tell you that Evans' figures are far too high. Assuming the large majority of these "terrorists" are adult male, that means according to Evans at least one in every 150 adult male Muslims in the UK is a terrorist, and at his higher surmise signifcantly more than one in a hundred. Plainly, to anyone who actually meets any Muslims, that is impossible.
Unfortunately, there is no shortage of "Security consultants" who make a fat living from exaggerating the threat of terrorism and then advising on how to counter it. The BBC usually has no problem finding up this kind of so called "Security expert" to reinforce the ludicrous scare. Today the BBC rolled out Dr Sally Leivesley - who they failed to point out is Managing Director of "Newrisk Ltd", an archetype of those seeking to make money from spreading fear.
And they have the ever reliable Frank Gardner. Chiselled profile held high, impeccable hair swept back, upper lip stiff, poppy impeccably in place, Gardner can be relied upon to retail any absolute rubbish the security services spew out without the slightest danger of passing it through a filter of independent thought. He can also be relied on to produce a meaningless graphic to illustrate the most ludicrous of propositions.
To date his finest hour was when 250 police stormed a house at Forest Gate and shot a completely innocent young postman as he got out of bed. The police explained that they were searching for a "Chemical weapons vest".
There has never, ever been a "chemical weapons vest", anywhere in the World. The very concept is nonsense - the point of a chemical weapon is to achieve maximum dispersal of the chemical, and wrapping it in fabric around the human torso would be ludicrous. That is why there has never been a chemical weapons vest.
Nonetheless the noble, earnest Gardner introduced a graphic of what a chemical weapons vest might look like - a laughable photo of a camouflage pattern waistcoat full of suspicious bumps and loops. He might just as well have labelled it a nuclear bomb vest. What a farce! What a wanker!
Anyway, Gardner was at it again tonight with a graphic to explain the latest ludicrous claims. How do they know there are 2,000 terrorists, he asked? Well, they can't tell us because it's intelligence, he explained. But the helpful graphic fills the screen, with hundreds of sinister black silhouettes of unknown terrorists, interconnected by numerous black lines indicating networks, nodes and axes of evil. And to explain it all, every so often, there was a not blacked out figure, a suicide bomber or, glowering at us, Osama Bin Laden. Of course!! That's the evidence!! There really are thousands of them.
I was going to retaliate by producing a graphic of thousands of sinister silhouettes linked by criss-crossing lines, and dotted among them Goebbels, Hitler, Attila the Hun, Stalin, Mao and Frank Gardner. But I can't be bothered - sounds like a job for Bloggerheads.
The truth is that since September 11 Islamic militants have killed about 70 people in the UK. That's 12 people a year in a country of 60 million. Every death is terrible, but a threat to our existence it is not. You have a much better chance of drowning in your own bath, of being struck by lightning or of winning the national lottery than of being killed by a terrorist. But that wouldn't persuade you to give up your civil liberties, or that we have to invade more oil rich countries for our security. |
from http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2007/11/frank_goebbels.html |
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Brown Sauce
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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as this reply to the original text pretty well sums up my own ...
| Quote: | What can I say? This almost completely matches my own experience and ideas.
However, I would dispute the statement "The truth is that since September 11 Islamic militants have killed about 70 people in the UK. That's 12 people a year in a country of 60 million".
The authorities have seen fit not to release any evidence of any kind that would stand scrutiny in a court of law about the 7 July/21 July Affairs.
They have even failed to establish that the four Muslims they fingered were even at Luton railway station on the day in question (the bad photo released seems to show the ground being wet, when the day was dry), let alone being in London.
They certainly couldn't have caught the necessary train (which the authorities said in fact they did) as it was cancelled.
So, at the very least we are entitled to be extremely sceptical about any of their claims, given their track record of official lying.
However, even if one concedes the 70 per 60M for a moment, let us compare it with the Northern Irish Troubles.
In 32 years, 3,312 (maybe more) people were killed in Ulster and the UK mainland, most of them by the IRA and its fractions, and most of that funded by the USA which still refuses to hand over a couple of PIRA people because their actions, it says, were "not terroristic" but "political".
Nevertheless, this actual carnage did not produce the curtailment of our ancient liberties that the notional "Islamic terrorism" has - nor was there any raids on Catholic churches, arrests of Catholic priests (and there were many who were deeply involved with PIRA), closing downs of Catholic charities, demonisation in the media of Catholics generally, or even of the average Irishman or woman.
So what, or who, is driving this hysterical anti-Islamism? And why? |
didn't know that that train had been cancelled.
So what, or who, is driving this hysterical anti-Islamism? And why? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't know about that train either - or the alleged wet ground in the picture of them. |
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luke
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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if you look into 7/7 the official story it's a complete scam. i did some work for a guy who's a fireman, he helped on one the trains after - he said the explosion had clearly come from underneath the tube, all the metal was pushed upwards through the floor ...
there was a statement from some police woman and some of the survivors that said the same thing, but they were forgotten about - but the media did cover them initially
now, there could be a reasonable explanation for it ... but it wasn't even addressed in the official 'report' and now its fallen down orwell's memory hole ... |
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Brown Sauce
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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quite honestly I didn't look or question the 7-7 stuff. After 911 I thought that they'd be too dumb to try another, now I'm going to look ...
interesting what that fireman said .. |
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luke
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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let me know what you think of what peter powell said on the morning it was all going off ... just another one of those coincidences i guess ...
i'll tell you what is a mad coincidence, i don't think this had anything to do it - they wouldn't be that blatant, but check this pic from the bus the blew up;
then google the company kingstar ... check their site, what they do and who they've worked for ...
crazy eh!
away from crazy stuff, theres a black guy who was on the bus who had some really interesting stuff to say - i can't remember his name, but you'll find it no doubt |
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Brown Sauce
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I think I found him  Daniel Obachike
edit : well, you'd expect a company like kingstar to know how to do it, if anyone. |
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luke
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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thats the guy
like i said i don't think kingstar had anything to do it - whoever planned it, if it wasn't the four muslim guys, wouldn't be so blatant as to have the van parked next to it at the time! just a crazy crazy coincidence. there is some interesting stuff surrounding that bus though, the work on it the week before, the change of route, the stuff daniel talks about it ... |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:23 am Post subject: |
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I did hear about the train being canceled; about witnesses who saw the floor ripped up as if the explosion was on the rails; about "security" trials going on at the some stations; about the Israeli PM being warned v. early to stay in his hotel in London (long before London commuters were told that it was a terrorist attack); about the "bombers" buying return train tickets;
I believe the "bombers" were patsies and didn't realise that whatever they were carrying would explode when it did. |
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