Ron Paul : Stop Dreaming

[Mandy]

[faceless]

I've no doubt at all that a fair amount of White Supremacists do support ron Paul. He is advocating the removal of the Federal Reserve, which is a major issue for these groups as they want power to be decentralised.

[Mandy]

I am sure some white supremacists support all major candidates.

The issue of the Federal Reserve is that it is not government owned, but owned by private bankers. As such, it is effectively legalised theft by private bankers of money from US citizens.

I support the nationalization of the Federal Reserve, which isn't the same thing as its removal. I am certainly not a white supremacist.

Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
"White supremacy, as with racial supremacism in general, is rooted in ethnocentrism and a desire for hegemony. It is associated with varying degrees of racism and xenophobia as well as a desire for racial separation. White supremacy has often resulted in anti-black racism and antisemitism, although it has also involved prejudice and discrimination against a wide variety of "non-white" groups, including Arabs and the various Asian peoples."

The neo-cons and zionist supporters could easily fit under this definition. The leaders of Israel tend to be very white (recall the number of "classes" in Israel).

[faceless]

How many nazis would support Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton? I doubt they'd touch Kucinich or Gravel either...

The majority of these people say they want power decentralised and to not have to pay federal income tax. Of course I'm aware that federal income tax is unconsitutional already, but that doesn't change things much.

[Mandy]

If by nazis, you mean fascists, I think the neo-cons + Hilary have their support snapped up. I believe the neo-cons are the modern day Nazis

[faceless]

By nazis I mean nazis - white (or even black) supremacists.

[luke]

well, the biggest racist i know of is hal turner, and i think he's supporting ron paul - ron paul seems to bring people from all over, like the article says - from liberals, the left and right, but thats because people like his policys. like faceless said, they like the idea of getting rid of the federal reserve, plus ron paul wants to bring the troops back to secure americas borders at home - hal turner and the like are fully behind that sort of thing.

[Mandy]

This is a moral dilemma. I suppose the issue is to consider what would happen if Ron Paul was elected President (which he won't be), whether the white supremacists could be contained.

I suppose there will be a balkanisation of the US, but is that much different than today's many no-go areas.

[Mandy]

I came across this. I am yet to locate the graphic referred to in the title

[luke]

it's at -2.05 on the first video - it was only for a couple of seconds

re the white supremacists - what do you mean be contained? what do you think they'd do?! i mean, they wouldn't have any more power or be any more popular under a ron paul presidency than if any of the others won. maybe even they'd be less, if one of their big issues is illegal immigration, and paul stops that, then they have less of an issue to rally support.

i'd guess they're probably quite a small group - like the bnp here. maybe i'm wrong though, maybe theres millions of them!

[Mandy]

Thanks Luke.

I agree they are small group (as a % of US population) and that should the regime change, they would have less of an issue, especially if regime change led to secession of states which don't agree to the federal mandate. They also generally live amongst their own (e.g. small neighborhoods, towns or states). As such, I don't see them as a threat to immigrants or others in major towns and cities (i.e. outside "their" area). That is what I meant by the risk from them being "contained" (which means the risk is manageable).

The anology is that in the UK, the risk from the BNP is currently "contained".

Just saw this :

[luke]

[Mandy]

Thanks Luke .. The more the maistream media try to "blackout" Ron Paul, then the more Ron Paul is supports by the grass-roots who sense the establishment's fear of Ron Paul.

Though the religious right are likely to bail from conservatives to the democrats, which would page the way for the Republicans losing to Hilary.

[faceless]

I removed a link to fund raising for this guy - the minute this site becomes a funding source for a bastard conservative is the day I shut it down!

Send your money to me if you want to contribute to something that has at least a chance of success.

[Mandy]

A second that .. indeed, same for any pary which has the word "new" in it