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luke
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 Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: more4 now - ghosts of abu ghraib |
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anyone else watching this? seriously darkside - horrible, evil, sadistic   
the worse thing, if you read sy hersh, he's seen pictures and videos that were never released that he reckons are far far worse than anything thats ever been released
does anyone know if this has been shown in america? i noticed it was done by hbo - but i can't imagine this would be allowed to be shown ... |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Luke. I heard that the worst thing about these unpublished videos is the sound track of screaming kids being raped. |
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luke
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Mandy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks Luke ... I hope this will now get more publicity (with no small thanks to yourself for the above info) |
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luke
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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from http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1079717350232790520
| Quote: | "There is no such thing as a little bit of torture." -- Alfred W. McCoy, author "A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, from the Cold War to the War on Terror"
The familiar and disturbing pictures of torture at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison raise many troubling questions: How did torture become an accepted practice at Abu Ghraib? Did U.S. government policies make it possible? How much damage has the aftermath of Abu Ghraib had on America's credibility as a defender of freedom and human rights around the world?
Acclaimed filmmaker Rory Kennedy (HBO's "Indian Point: Imagining the Unimaginable") looks beyond the headlines to investigate the psychological and political context in which torture occurred when the powerful documentary GHOSTS OF ABU GHRAIB.
"How could ordinary American soldiers come to engage in such monstrous acts?" Kennedy asks. "What policies were put into place that allowed this behavior to flourish while protections granted to prisoners under the Geneva Conventions were ignored?"
"These photographs from Abu Ghraib have come to define the United States," says Scott Horton, chairman, Committee on International Law, NYC Bar Association. "The U.S., which was viewed as certainly one of the principal advocates of human rights and...the dignity of human beings in the world, suddenly is viewed as a principle expositor of torture."
For the first time, GHOSTS OF ABU GHRAIB features both the voices of Iraqi victims (interviewed in Turkey after arduous attempts to meet with them) and guards directly involved in torture at the prison. Conducted by Kennedy, these remarkably candid, in-depth interviews shed light on the abuses in an unprecedented manner.
Through these interviews, the film traces the events and the political and legal precedents that led to the scandal, beginning with the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.
While the White House and Pentagon claimed that the situation at Abu Ghraib was "a kind of animal house on the night shift," other on-site participants and observers maintain that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were part of a general pattern of a "gloves off" interrogation policy that had been put in place after 9/11.
GHOSTS OF ABU GHRAIB strongly suggests that, far from being an unauthorized, isolated event by rank-and-file soldiers acting on their own initiative, the physical and psychological torture employed at the prison was an inevitable outgrowth of military and government policies that were implemented in a climate of fear and chaos, inadequate training and insufficient resources.
The interviews with soldiers who took part in and observed the torture at Abu Ghraib show them to be intelligent and articulate young men and women, not gun-happy, sadistic torturers - challenging what viewers may think they know about what took place at the prison. For the most part, soldiers stationed at Abu Ghraib were not trained as prison guards, yet as few as 300 of them were put in charge of up to 6,000 prisoners, who were held in squalid and dangerous conditions.
"If there were no photographs, there would be no Abu Ghraib," said Javal Davis, an MP stationed at Abu Ghraib, who was later court-martialed.
After numerous investigations, 11 low-ranking MPs and Military Intelligence corpsmen were court-martialed. Only one high-ranking officer has been penalized to date: Brigadier General Janis Karpinski was demoted to colonel and has since retired from the military. At the same time, other high-ranking officials associated with the scandal have been promoted and the chain of command has not been subject to an independent investigation.
Ultimately, the film raises serious questions about what happened, why it happened and whether it was an isolated incident, as the government continues to maintain. Using footage from famous obedience experiments performed at Yale by eminent social psychologist Stanley Milgram in the 1960s, the film suggests that under orders most people are capable of perpetrating inhumane and unjust acts against others. |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Great .. thanks again Luke.
FYI, the internet activism shown here is what the governments are really scared about.
You saw the Ron Paul thread where they internet users stood up to CNBC & won. |
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t.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:44 am Post subject: |
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this is so disturbing
i never even heard about this
and what in God's name was a 9 year-old doing there?? |
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