What Churchill said about immigrants

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What Churchill said about Britain's immigrants
David Smith
guardian.co.uk,
Sunday August 5 2007

Sir Winston Churchill expressed alarm about an influx of 'coloured people' in Fifties' Britain and looked for a chance to restore punishment by flogging, newly released cabinet papers from the national archive reveal.

On 3 February 1954, under the agenda item 'Coloured Workers', Churchill is quoted, with abbreviations, by Cabinet Secretary Sir Norman Brook as saying: 'Problems wh. will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Attracted by Welfare State. Public opinion in UK won't tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits.'

Florence Horsbrugh, the then Minister of Education and Conservative MP for Manchester Moss Side, is recorded as adding: 'Already becoming serious in Manchr.' Then David Maxwell-Fyfe, the Home Secretary, gave a figure of 40,000 compared to 7,000 before the Second World War and raised the possibility of immigration control. He said: 'There is a case on merits for excludg. riff-raff. But politically it wd. be represented & discussed on basis of colour limitation. That wd. offend the floating vote viz., the old Liberals. We shd. be reversing age-long trad[ition] tht. B[ritish] S[ubjects] have right of entry to mother-country of Empire. We shd. offend Liberals, also sentimentalists.' He added: 'The col[onial]. pop[ulations] are resented in L[iverpool], Paddington & other areas by those who come into contact with them. But those who don't are apt to take a more Liberal view.'

Churchill intervened: 'Ques. is wtr it is politically wise to allow public feeling to develop a little more before takg. action.' Adding that it would be 'fatal' to let the situation develop too far, the Prime Minister is recorded as concluding: 'Wd lke also to study possibility of "quota" - no. not to be exceeded.'

The documents give an insight into attitudes of the time and echo modern concerns about border controls. Handwritten notebooks were kept as a record of cabinet meetings separate from the official minutes. At another meeting, on 20 November 1952, the cabinet discussed corporal punishment, which had been abolished as a court sentence by the previous Attlee administration. Churchill is quoted saying: 'Shd we clutter ourselves up with enquiry when p.[ublic] opinion may give us chance to restore flogging for all crimes of violence & cruelty. Alternative is to devise much stiffer cond[itions] of imp[risonmen]t. What about a plebiscite on c.p. - a suitable subject. What of re-introducg. for 3 or 5 years, to see if it does reduce crime. If we can't act, I wd. sooner not have an enquiry.' But Viscount Simonds, the Lord Chancellor, objected: 'Every civilised country, save Brazil & some States in US, has abandoned this penalty.'

On 10 July 1952, the cabinet turned its attention to 'Sugar: for Jam Making'. It was noted that there was strong pressure from farmers because a bumper crop would see plums go to waste and a call for the government to step in by issuing more sugar. The difficulty was in deciding whether the extra sugar needed for the purpose of preserving the fruit should come out of government stockpiles or be found by reducing the sweet ration for three months to save enough sugar. At the end of the cabinet debate, Churchill agreed that action must be taken and blamed on the bumper crop, declaring: 'Plums shall not rot.'

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I thought this was quite interesting. If not only to see the way the Home Secretary discusses people - what a bastard!

[Ash]

He made a very insulting remarks about Mahatma Gandhi (beggar with loin clothes or something similar).

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[major.tom]

What I take from this is that how wrong it is to idolize or vilify -- all people are with their virtues and faults. Churchill deserved much credit for seeing GBR through WWII, but he did not do so single-handed.

[eefanincan]

You just never know what goes on behind the scenes. It's certainly not right what they were saying, but I think joker is right by pointing out it was the attitude of the times, for most people. Wouldn't fly now, that's for sure.

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I'm not at all convinced that anyone has ever had any excuse to be that ignorant (least of all a world leader). I'd say the fact that they talk about how "We should offend liberals and sentimentalists" shows that they were very much aware.

[major.tom]

That's a good point, faceless. The mere fact that he speaks to who might not like such policies reveals that this was not simply an attitude of the times. In fact, we can still see traces (if not more) of this today -- idiologies of empire are inherently racist at their core.

On a lighter note, the closing line ("Plums shall not rot.") makes me wonder what a longer Churchillian diatribe might sound like...

"Whether it's one lump or two,
with crackers or biscuits,
this will be our finest tea-time."

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