Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Israeli Class System
Does anyone happen to remember which show George talked specifically about what he considered the four seperate classes in Israel, and he listed them with descriptions? I've been searching like crazy for this as I'm in a discussion with someone about it and I'd like to re-listen to what he said and take some notes...
I've done some Google searches, too, but can't seem to bring up the information. I know that one class he spoke of was the Falasha Jews, from Ethiopia, but what were the other three? It's driving me crazy!
Though i would be careful equating it directly with Western european ideas of class, these are also religious and Ethnic issues rather than purely class based ones. Sorry I can't recall the particular George show
You caught me, i'm a rabid zionist who hates Palestinians....or could it be I give Kate credit for knowing Arab Israeli's already, and actually answered the question. I've got to give you credit though, you're not too bright but you are tenacious.
Ashkenazi - 1st class citizens
Sephardi - 2nd class citizens
Falasha - 3rd class citizens
Arab Israeli citizens - 4th class citizens
Palestinians in the Occupied Territories - not citizens
Palestinians in the Occupied Territories - not citizens
I could describe them as :
"not citizens - can be used as target practice, impoverished, starved, prisoned (individually or collectively) at will"
Somewhere between 3 & 4th class :
"Arabs from overseas : Treated extremely rudely in the hope they never return"
"Arabs from USA: Treat same as other Arabs, since US government makes an exception in Israel's case to allow Israel to do what it wants"
The Israel Prize this year was a scandal. Had I been sitting in the hall at the Jerusalem Theater and not watching the award ceremony on television (Channel 1, Tuesday, 19:25), I am not certain that I wouldn't have stood up and shouted at the panel of dignitaries, never mind how common it might have sounded: "Where are the Mizrahi ethnic groups" (referring to Jews with origins in the Muslim countries), or: "Where are the Sephardim?"
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WRH write
"The Sephardim are descended from Hebrews who fled Judea during the revolt of 70AD, and settled in Spain. Unlike the Ashkenazi, the Sephardics can and do trace their genetic lineage back to the holy lands in biblical times. The Ashkenazi are the descendents of Khazars who were forcibly converted around 800 AD."
This isn't a demand for reverse discrimination, but rather for fairness and reasonableness, because how can it be possible that in the 15 prize categories not a single place was found for a worthy candidate who is not Ashkenazi?"
Two things of note :
+Carter says he was referring to Palestine, and not Israel.
+He referred to the "Jewish Lobby" as part of the "Lobby" (which included, or was part of, the Israeli Lobby). I thought that was not PC to refer to the religion (as you may George's comments last weekend on the radio).
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