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luke



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: iran and "hostages" : image and meaning Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it... nice one
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Karl



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe Britain and America are trying to provoke a confrontation. The tv news footage shows that a couple of dinghy type boats came and arrested the brits while british helecopters circled overhead and a british destroyer/frigate was visible in the frame. The beggers the obvious statement in my opinion this is all a deliberate sacrifice in order to provoke airstrikes to take place over the easter weekend during primetime tv after corrie.
I hope for gods sake it doesnt happen because Iran wont lie down and take the carpet bombing without striking back.
When are Butcher Bush and his Asslicker Blair going to be taken to the Hague in handcuffs.
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Mandy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like it is going to be an "Easter" surprise, especially with Blair's "no negotiation" line http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O5VM7O1&show_article=1

That sounds familiar .. Heard it before .. generally just before an invasion/attack.


Two more articles on the position being in Iranian Waters.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2007/03/blairs_faked_bo_1.html

"Blair's Faked Border

If one would use a maritime boundary defined by equidistance from the
Iraqi and Iranian coastlines, as is commonly (see Art.7) done in such
cases, the result would be something like this purple line. The merchant
vessels position as given by the British and the British forces
themselves would then have been well in Iranian waters.

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http://barrylando.com/?p=136

A fake British map? More on the Captured Brits

A) The Iran/Iraq maritime boundary shown on the British government map
does not exist. It has been drawn up by the British Government. Only
Iraq and Iran can agree their bilateral boundary, and they never have
done this in the Gulf, only inside the Shatt because there it is the
land border too. This published boundary is a fake with no legal force.

B) Accepting the British coordinates for the position of both HMS
Cornwall and the incident, both were closer to Iranian land than Iraqi
land. Go on, print out the map and measure it. Which underlines the
point that the British produced border is not a reliable one.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'There is something very fishy going on. HMS Cornwall is a state of the art ship with a radar tracking system that would have seen the Iranian boats as they left port. Why did the captain of HMS Cornwall not go to cut off the Iranians?. Why did the gemini boats not fight or at least run away when they saw the six boats coming?. No Royal Navy captain would send its people out without protection! Either the captain is an incompetent fool OR he was ordered to stand by and do nothing!' -- Beryl Hutchinson, Larnaca, Cyprus
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luke



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from craig murray

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Both Sides Must Stop This Mad Confrontation, Now

There is no agreed maritime boundary between Iraq and Iran in the Persian Gulf. Until the current mad propaganda exercise of the last week, nobody would have found that in the least a controversial statement.

Let me quote, for example, from that well known far left source Stars and Stripes magazine, October 24 2006.

'Bumping into the Iranians can’t be helped in the northern Persian Gulf, where the lines between Iraqi and Iranian territorial water are blurred, officials said.

"No maritime border has been agreed upon by the two countries," Lockwood said.'

That is Royal Australian Navy Commodore Peter Lockwood. He is the Commander of the Combined Task Force in the Northern Persian Gulf.

I might even know something about it myself, having been Head of the Maritime Section of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office from 1989 to 1992, and having been personally responsible in the Embargo Surveillance Centre for getting individual real time clearance for the Royal Navy to board specific vessels in these waters.

As I feared, Blair adopted the stupid and confrontational approach of publishing maps ignoring the boundary dispute, thus claiming a very blurred situation is crystal clear and the Iranians totally in the wrong. This has in turn notched the Iranians up another twist in their own spiral of intransigence and stupidity.

Both the British and the Iranian governments are milking this for maximum propaganda value and playing to their respective galleries. Neither has any real care at all for either the British captives or the thousands who could die in Iran and Basra if this gets out of hand.

Tony Blair's contempt for Middle Eastern lives has already been adequately demonstrated in Iraq and Lebanon. His lack of genuine concern for British servicemen demonstrated by his steadfast refusal to meet even one parent of a dead British serviceman or woman, killed in the wars he created. He is confronting an Iranian leadership with an equal lust for glory and lack of human concern.

It is essential now for both sides to back down. No solution is possible if either side continues to insist that the other is completely in the wrong and they are completely in the right. And the first step towards finding a peaceful way out, is to acknowledge the self-evident truth that maritime boundaries are disputed and problematic in this area.

Both sides can therefore accept that the other acted in good faith with regard to their view of where the boundary was. They can also accept that boats move about and all the coordinates given by either party were also in good faith. The captives should be immediately released and, to international acclamation, Iran and Iraq, which now are good neighbours, should appoint a joint panel of judges to arbitrate a maritime boundary and settle this boundary dispute.

That is the way out. For the British to insist on their little red border line, or the Iranians on their GPS coordinates, plainly indicates a greater desire to score propaganda points in the run up to a war in which a lot of people will die, than to resolve the dispute and free the captives. The international community needs to put heavy pressure on both Britain and Iran to stop this mad confrontation.

The British people must break out of the jingoism created by their laudable concern for their servicemen and woman, and realise that this is just a small part of the madness of our policy of continual war in the Middle East. That is what we have to stop.


he has a few more interesting bits on his site, and medialens are looking into a lot of this at the moment

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/
http://www.medialens.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=30
http://www.medialens.org/board/
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Mandy



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another article which doesn't believe Blair :

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10745
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There is only one country on earth that benefits in any way from a Western collision with the Persians, and its current rulers haven't been shy about openly calling for war. The Israelis have stated, loudly and often, that Iranian possession of nuclear technology represents an "existential threat" to the Jewish state, and they've threatened to take out Iran's nuclear facilities if we fail in our duty to do so. They way things are going, however, it looks like they won't have to …

The Lobby moved quickly to bend Western politicians to its will, including "antiwar" Democrats in the U.S. Congress. Having been given a green light to invade by Speaker Pelosi and her minions, is it any wonder that the War Party is crossing that nonexistent line in the Shatt al Arab – the Rubicon of our imperial ambitions?
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It's amazing that the War Party, after delivering a body blow to our military and American interests throughout the world by invading Iraq, can mobilize its forces to make yet another go of it – this time on a much larger scale.
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