Rumsfeld's oil quote

[Mandy]

Kate, look at this report

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0715-01.htm

It states : "Blair said Britain had been right to invade Iraq."

When Blair actually said "I cannot honestly say I believe getting rid of Saddam was a mistake at all. Iraq, the region, the wider world is a better and safer place without Saddam."

The first is a paraphrase or summary of what Blair said.


p.s. If George Galloway said "Donald Rumsfeld", when he was referring to "Dick Cheney", then that would be an accidental mis-speak if it really was Dick Cheney who he was referring to. I only say this because in your last post you mentioned "Rumsfled". It would be harsh to describe that as "George .. is mistaken, misquoting, and propogating an untruth" .. these are very strong words which can be used out of context.

p.p.s. I found this in another web site, i.e. confusion as to whether Rumsfeld or Cheney said it :

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http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/7010055557/p/4

"And you think believe that the West has a divine right to the natural resources of other countries ! At least you were right about the quote not being by Rumsfeld, as I was misinformed, it is in fact by Dick Cheney, and the exact quote is “The problem is that the good Lord didn't see fit to always put oil and gas resources where there are democratic governments”. Link http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/14/5134/72587

But the meaning it the same, that the Neocons believe, just like you do, that the West has a divine right to steal other people wealth & resources."
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Note, that the issue is the meaning .. irrespective of whether Rumsfeld or Cheney said it. i.e. there is confusion as to who said it, but not over the meaning.

[luke]

[Mandy]

[mickyv]

Goodness ! I'm beginning to regret my original Post !

I think the crux of the matter as to if the intended meaning of the two quotes are the same, is to know exactly the complete context of the speech of Cheney in which the quote is from. I found it in the same dailykos.com site that GG-Fan found it in, which does not provide the whole speech.

However on the same site under the comments I did find this other great quote;

...From "Leap of Faith" by Queen Noor of Jordan:
"Quotes George Bush Sr. as saying to her husband, 'I will not allow this little dictator [Saddam Hussein] to control 25 percent of the civilized world's oil.' Of course the key words here are 'the civilized world.'"

Kate, as you have emails with GG perhaps you can query this with him, maybe he is referring to a real Rumsfeld quote that we cannot trace, or if not I'm sure he would really appreciate being corrected.

[nekokate]

[Mandy]

[nekokate]

[faceless]

[major.tom]

I did a little search myself and have been unable to find that quote. It would dishearten me to think GG would use it without knowing it's authenticity. Perhaps someone should raise it with him (in private or public).

[Comsatangel]

I'm with Kate on this one. Rumsfeld's actual words simply state that much of the world's oil is controlled and owned by countries that do not conform to the USA's definition of democracy. He absolutely does not state that this oil is rightfully the property of the USA. You may be of the opinion that this is what he is implying, but it is simply just that, an opinion. It also happens to be my own opinion.

On the other hand, George G, in his misquote, is taking this implication and presenting it as a statement of fact when it is not fact. I am certain that Rumsfeld believes this oil should belong to the USA. I have no doubt about that. But in this case, this is not what he said, and to attribute this quote to him is misleading in the extreme.