Barack Obama 'Victory for the terrorists'

[Mandy]

Thanks "IRiSHMaFIA"

The issue is that I really want to know what Karl thinks .. but throwing in a one liner about the no-plane at the pentagon & Michael Moore isn't that helpful when trying to gauge people's feelings on issues .. e.g. does Karl even agree with the need for a new 911 investigation ? You may say obviously "yes" , but if ever mentioning the results of this questionnaire to someone else, the more explicit "yes" we get the more clear cut the result.

i.e. if Karl really wanted to help, then I would love to see what he thinks on the above (and anything else he wants to talk about).

Therefore I do want to count everyone's "vote" equally .. but in Karl's case it felt like a spoiling of the vote paper.

[IRiSHMaFIA]

Your welcome "GG_Fan"

Perhaps they didn't realise they were walking into a voting booth and were actually looking for the loo!

I understand what you're saying but some people don't feel entirely comfortable in posting and it takes a while for them to warm up to it. I'm sure you'll see the results you're looking for as it's an interesting topic.

Onwards and upwards as they say!

[Mandy]

thanks again

[nekokate]

[Skylace]

Q1. N
While I do not agree with his stance on this no one is going to be perfect nor hold all the exact same views as myself. He is a human also and is going to have flaws.

Q2. YY

Q3. Y/N-While I know the US government was aware of this threat, I don't believe they knew all the specifics. I do know they used it as an excuse to help them start their war.

Q4. N-There are many other groups that do the same thing. I see enough with the Southern Baptists in this area to know who shapes our local and state politics.

[Mandy]

[til661]

Q1. N But he is still the best there is with a chance of winning. i'm a much bigger fan of Nader or Kuchinich but they aren't going to win. Oh and I'm not American so my opinion really counts for damn all in reality.

Q2. YY
No-brainer

Q3. NN A complete red-herring and a sad indictment of the current age of politics


Q4. NN It's clearly the other way round. The US isn't pressured by Israel or its friends, they simply use Israel as a vehicle for their own desires. If Israel ceased to serve the interests of the state-corporatists in Washington, watch how quickly their 'power' disappears. See the Suez crisis for an obvious example.

[Karl]

Q1. NN
Nobody will ever get elected without the support of the Israel lobby. Obama will be far more even handed than hilary.

Q2. NN
Hard Drugs should not be legalised. Better border controls and tougher enforcement on dealers. However, legalised sale of cannibis through licensed outlets in the same way as alcohol maybe an option. I am against decriminalisation because that helps nobody except the dealers.

Q3. YY
911 was an inside job by mossad. The biggest insurance fraud, the biggest gold bullion robbery and the biggest controlled demolition. EVER.

Q4. YY
Rockefellers, Rothscilds and JP Morgan, goldman sachs, lehman bros etc

[Karl]

911 was 100% an inside job. Look at the Pentagon.
Hundreds of cctv cameras and yet no pictures and no video?
impossible.
The pentagon is like fort knox surrounded by a security blamket and cameras galore yet no footage and no pictures have been released. Just like the 7/7 bombings which are also a false flag operation.
Remember the 27/7 trial and how many hours of cctv footage and photos were released? Yet 7/7 absolutely no cctv and no video no photos just one grainly still photo and one still from a mcdonalds aparantly showing a bomber buying an egg mcmuffin prior to going to hell by blowing himself up. I mean really who would queue up and buy food seconds before blowing themselves up?
Either the cctv footage exists and it does not show what they want us to see or it has deliberately been sabotaged by the same people who dont want us to see.
Just to be clear i look at the evidence i dont trust hearsay.
I cant take someones word that a plane crashed into the pentagon, i look at the evidence. No damage to the lawn . Not enough debris to be consistant with a plane. No damage to the wall consistant with a twin engined plane. No cctv footage and no eye witnesses.
The three towers wtc1 wtc2 and wtc7 were demolished end of story.

How did 19 highjackers get on the planes without buying tickets?
Apologists please answer that question.

[faceless]

Karl, there's a whole section for conspiracies etc...

[Mandy]

Thanks Karl.

[mickyv]

I see many people have answered your questions GG Fan, and in the spirit of taking part, & for what it’s worth here are my responses;


Q1. YY – US support for Israel seems to be, and is probably the root cause of many of the World’s problems, and if Obama is still going to pursue the same policy of Israel-is-above reproach-&-will-be-rewarded-whatever-crimes-it-commits, then Obama is not worth voting for.

Q2. Y/N – Certain soft drugs should be legalized, but I don’t agree that hard drugs should be. Maybe I’m being a little naive, but if people can get their kicks from safe & soft drugs, maybe they would feel the need to take hard & dangerous drugs.

Q3. Y – Up to recently I stopped short of believing it was an inside job, and was of the view that the Bush Neocons knewthat it was going to happen, and didn’t stop it because it suited their New World Order agenda. This was mostly based on the story of the Dancing Israelis, meaning that if Mossad knew then it’s highly unlikely they didn’t tell the Yanks, or that the CIA didn’t know independently. However after finally getting around to watching things such as this;

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9%2F11

I now have an open mind about as to whetever it was an inside job after all, in that the Neocons may have actually planned it. GG’s best point against this is that such a massive conspiracy could simply not be kept secret for so long, but I think the brains that may have been clever enough to pull of the biggest contrick of all time, may have also been smart enough to keep a lid on it.

Q4. YY - The Pro-Israel/Zionists Lobby is so powerful & real that it is actually studied as an academic subject at Universities. Many reports & studies have been published, including by many Jewish researchers, which examine in great detail exactly how this influencing power is wielded & used. Fundamentally it comes down to money, as the Lobby will fund senators, both Republicans & Democrats, effectively buying almost all politicians. What I find ironic & interesting is that the money the Lobby uses is the same money that US gave to Israel as aid, and further, the US is only able to give billions away, as well as spend trillions on arms, despite being in the red, is that thanks to US instigated OPEC agreement to trade oil in US dollars, the US has for decades been having a free economic ride, as all countries are forced to stock pile otherwise pretty worthless dollars (there are more US dollars in China than the whole of the US!). If everybody switched to euros, it would be like all the cheques the US has written & nobody has ever banked, suddenly being drawn, and of coursing a catastrophic crashing of the US economy, which may well then be beyond recovery. So the money the Israeli Lobby uses to bribe the US against the Arabs, is made on the back of the oil of the Arabs ! Funny old World !

[Mandy]

Thanks Micky. It is interesting to see how people feel about these contentious issues. After all, if we took a vote "if someone likes Blair", then finding anyone replying "Y" would be a miracle.

p.s. The analysis of the 8 responses so far is (if you count me as a YY for all four questions) :
Q1 : YY / YY / YY / Y / N / N / NN / NN --> almost evenly split .. but "Y" winning but not by a statistically significant margin

Q2 : YY / YY / YY / Y / Y / Y&N / ? / NN --> "Y" winning here by a "YY" & "YY" & "Y" & "Y"

Q3 : YY / YY / YY / Y / Y / Y&N / N / NN --> "Y" winning here by a "YY" & "YY" & "Y"

Q4 : YY / YY / Y / ? / N / N / NN / NN --> "almost evenly split .. but "N" winning but not by a statistically significant margin

There is still time to vote !!! The more votes the better .. I need 10 voters before I drop this thread ... oh .. that sounds like "I need 10 callers on the board before I take the calls" .. where have I heard that before ?

[luke]

[popinjay]

Hard to believe that John Howard is part of the liberal party.