Galloway at Al Quds demonstration - October the 7th

 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject: Galloway at Al Quds demonstration - October the 7th Reply with quote



I extracted the audio and cleaned it up a bit. You can download it by clicking HERE
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting this, Faceless. I've removed the hum from the audio file in Audacity. You can find it here. http://www.sendspace.com/file/bcub6f
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what did you think of the audio Major?

I found it to be pretty rabble-rousing to be honest - and about as far away from the principles of peace as I've ever heard at an anti-war rally.

edit: I just remembered it's not the anti-war rally, but still, I wasn't impressed.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't very impressed by it either. He does a better job on his radio show of speaking against an attack on Iran. This sounded a bit like Dubya's "Bring'em on" line. I wish GG would not yell his speeches, but the adrenalin from speaking to large crowds might get the better of him.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a demonstration against 40 years of the occupation of Jerusalem. Reminds me of the ENOUGH demonstration earlier in the year.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Tatchell: Islamists Betray Palestine
By Peter Tatchell
The Guardian
12 October 2007


Al Quds Day is a day of international protest in support of the Palestinian people. It was originated by the leader of the Iranian Islamist revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini. In London, this year’s Al Quds demonstration - held last Sunday - had the themes of: “End Child Killing! End Oppression! End Israeli Apartheid!” It was supported by the left-wing Respect Party, 1990 Trust, Muslim Association of Britain, Islamic Human Rights Commission, Hizb ut-Tahrir and the Federation of Student Islamic Societies. The post-march Trafalgar Square rally was addressed by the Respect Party MP, George Galloway, and by the former Daily Express journalist, Yvonne Ridley.

As a long time supporter of justice for the Palestinian people, I decided to join the protest. I am against Israel’s illegal occupation of the West Bank, its divisive Berlin-style wall, its illegal nuclear weapons programme and its often indiscriminate military operations that kill innocent Palestinian civilians. But I object to the way the Al Quds Day marches invariably hijack the Palestinian cause and use the occasion to also support the tyrannical, Holocaust-denying Iranian regime and its fundamentalist, terrorist offshoots, Hamas and Hezbollah – two organisations that mirror the Israeli disregard for international law, human rights and innocent civilians.

Defenders of Hamas and Hezbollah claim that these two movements have popular support. True. So did the Nazis. Hitler won the most votes in the 1933 elections. But that did not make him right or justify his anti-humanitarian policies. By aligning justice for Palestine with the injustice of the Iranian autocracy, Al Quds Day undermines international sympathy and support for the Palestinian people. While it suits the public relations purposes of the tyrants in Tehran to pose as anti-imperialists and defenders of an oppressed people, Iran’s support for Palestine is the kiss of death.

The London Al Quds march was almost exclusively Muslim and fairly devout, judging by the preponderance of hijabs and beards. I joined the marchers, carrying two placards. See here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/outrage/

One with a Palestinian flag and the slogan ‘Free Palestine,’ and the other emblazoned with the words: “Oppose the government of Iran, Support the people of Iran.” The latter placard included a photograph of a 16-year-old Iranian girl, Atefeh Rajabi Sahaaleh, who was publicly hanged in 2004 in the city of Neka for ‘crimes against chastity,’ after having been sexually abused during her early teenage years. Tehran hanged the female victim of abuse, not the male perpetrators. Then the ayatollahs lied that she was 22, to cover up the fact that they had hanged a minor, contrary to international human rights laws that Iran has signed.

This case of state-sponsored murder is, of course, just one aspect of a much wider pattern of human rights abuses by the Iranian regime, including the arrest and torture of student and trade union activists; the execution of Sunni Muslim leaders and ethnic Arabs and Baluchs; the closure of newspapers and detention without trial of journalists; and the arrest of over 100,000 women for the crime of dressing “immodestly” (such as letting a few wisps of hair show from under their hijab).

The Iranian regime has all the characteristics of fascism, albeit in a clerical form. Its suppression of human rights is on a par with Franco’s Spain, PW Botha’s South Africa and Pinochet’s Chile. But whereas the latter three dictatorships provoked global protests, Tehran’s tyranny elicits mostly silence and inaction from left and liberal opinion. Why the double standards?

As soon as I turned up at the Al Quds demo, I was subjected to a barrage of violent, threatening invective from large sections of the crowd. Some started chanting: ‘Tatchell is a Zionist, Tatchell is a paedophile. Get out! Get out! Get out!’ This paedophile slander was accompanied by allied falsehoods that I support “western attacks on Muslim lands” – despite my long-standing opposition to Russia’s war in Chechnya, http://doughty.gdbtv.com/ and plans for a US attack on Iran.

Such lies show the moral depravity of many Islamists, who readily borrow from the tactics of Stalinists and the BNP to smear and discredit anyone who disagrees with them. Indeed, some fundamentalist leaders have admitted that it is morally acceptable for Muslims to lie in order to defeat “infidels” and to advance the Islamist cause. I was treated to a torrent of hatred all the way from Hyde Park to Trafalgar Square. Some of the Al Quds marchers shouted things like: ‘You are all Zionists and CIA agents. How much money did Bush pay you to come here today?’ Others claimed: “Stop posing as a supporter of Palestine. You have never supported Palestine” – malevolently disregarding the fact that I was a founder member of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign in 1982.

Six of the Al Quds marchers made attempts to physically attack me. It was only police intervention that stopped them. What I found odd is that the people who abused and attacked me were supposedly ultra-devout Muslims. Yet their manner was more thuggish than pious. Like their Iranian mentors, they no doubt claim to represent true, pure Islam. In my view they behaved in a most unIslamic and unreligious way; offering very negative, unattractive caricatures of the Islamic faith and the Muslim community.

Many of the marchers appeared to identify with pro-Iranian Shia fundamentalism, which preaches a gospel of hatred and violence against Jews, gay people and even against other Muslims who disagree with their fundamentalist interpretation of Islam. None of my Muslim friends believe this bigoted nonsense, and most Muslims in Britain reject such intolerance. In my prison and asylum work, helping many gay and straight Muslims, I am constantly encouraged by imams who show great compassion and tolerance. They happily work with me, despite my atheism and gayness. This is the kind, gentle face of Islam that never seems to be newsworthy.

A different kind of Muslim predominated last Sunday. Many of the marchers were carrying Hezbollah flags and chanting: ‘We are all Hezbollah now.’ When I pointed out that Hezbollah kills innocent Israeli civilians, and endorses the execution of women and gay people who transgress their extremist version of Islam, I was told things like: “That’s good. Society has to have order. These punishments are necessary for the good of society.”

On a positive note, several Al Quds marchers, nearly all women and nearly all wearing the hijab, expressed their support. One confided: “We don’t agree with the Iranian regime either. Killing that young girl was wrong.” Another said: “Islam is about love and peace. Don’t listen to the fanatics. We are only here because we support Palestine.” One other marcher told me: “I am glad you joined us. What you are saying needs to be said. I don’t support anyone being oppressed.”

Such responses were gratifying to hear. It shows that there are progressive Muslims, even on Al Quds demonstrations. Too often it is only the fundamentalist voices that are heard in the media. People are seriously mistaken, and unfair, when they lump together all Muslims as one reactionary mass. As with Jews, Christians, Hindus and atheists, the Muslim community also has its illiberals and its liberals. Bravo for liberals and progressives everywhere – including in Britain, Israel and Palestine.

Addendum:
Since the Iranian regime’s apologists always falsely accuse me of supporting a US attack on Iran, I will preempt their malicious attempts at character assassination by making my position clear: I am not suddenly taking on the Iranian regime. I have supported the Iranian people’s struggle for democracy and human rights for four decades - first against the western-backed imperial fascist Shah and, since 1979, against the clerical fascism of the ayatollahs.

I do not support a US attack on Iran. Military intervention would strengthen the position of the hardliners in Tehran; allowing President Ahmadinejad to play the nationalist card. Using the pretext of national security and defending the country against imperialism, he would further crack down on dissent.

Some anti-war and left-wing campaigners refuse to condemn the Tehran dictatorship and refuse to support the Iranian people’s resistance; arguing that to do so would play into the hands of the US neocons and militarists. I disagree. Opposing imperialism and defending human rights are complementary, not contradictory.

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I'm not surprised at this report at all. the tone of Galloway's speech suggested his audience were militant bastards, so to hear that some of them attacked Tatchell isn't that surprising. He's dealt with far worse in his time though and he should have told them they weren't a patch on the Moscow skinheads (who attacked him) when it came to being 'tuff'.

Arseholes.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting piece by Tatchell. I'm on his side in a lot of what he has said and done in his public life.

The only thing that annoys me, which Tatchell himself can hardly be blamed for, is that I've seen portions of this article quoted on racist, Zionist blogs as "proof" that Muslims are all extremist bastards who hate Jews, etc., etc.

One example (which admittedly doesn't quote Tatchell directly, but I found it via a similar one that does) is THIS blog regarding the Al Quds march, which starts "A demonstration of about 400 Islamafascists [...] marched through central London today calling for death to Israel. [...] the Islamafascists were 'celebrating' Al Quds Day, which was introduced by Khomeini as an annual day where all Muslims demand the 'liberation of Jerusalem' and the destruction of Israel. The Islamafascists were joined by the inevitable group of Neturei Karta 'Jews' and a small handful of useful idiots from the far left (who would be sure to be among the first to be exterminated under an Islamic regime)."

How many lies and slurs can you pack into an opening gambit?? The inverted commas around the word Jews to describe the Neturei Karta guys was particularly offensive and snide, as though any Jew who opposes the oppression of the Palestinians isn't really a Jew.

Surely common sense and an understanding of human nature makes it obvious that at any demonstration for any cause there are going to be some idiots. Unfortunately it only ever seems to be the negative, unpeaceful incidents that get reported or highlighted and that leads the casual observer to believe that the entire march was like that. I'm sure most of the marchers had good intentions.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting, and sad, article faceless. i noticed when i listened to galloways speech from the day, the audience response to certain parts was very different to how they are on the anti war marches

interesting to note as well that galloway didn't really talk to much about this protest on his show, it was mentioned, but not to the same level as other marches he usually participates in

where did tatchell stand on the invasions on iraq and afghanistan? he says hes against 'Russia’s war in Chechnya, and plans for a US attack on Iran' but doesn't mention those two - although of course that doesn't justify how he was treated.

Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree with the criticism of this speech, I think anything less militant would have fallen on deaf ears on an occasion like this, and none of the militant things he says, with the exception of his referance to eternal damnation (hopefuuly!), are wrong. However while most of the millitancy around the demo was specifically religious, he takes it in a more left wing, anti-imperialist direction by welcoming Hezbullah's victory as a defeat for the forces of opression and empire worldwide, and especially by hailing Che, Castro and Chavez as leaders of the Muslim world.
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