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 Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: MSNBC - 9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply |
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I thought this was a very good article that describes the situation accurately. At the moment, 67% of the people who have voted believe that there was a conspiracy of some sort.
That poll's probably unrealistic though as the majority of people who don't believe in the idea of a conspiracy would probably just ignore the story altogether. |
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Salim201
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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great post, its really interesting the level of distrust nowadays i just wish something would be done about it!
I would say the polls quite reflective, there are obviously limitations to any poll but the fact that people who are indifferent didn't participate isn't one of them, surely you can say that about any survey.. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The people who are already interested in the idea of 9/11 conspiracies would be more likely to read the article in the first place, whereas those who say it's treasonous, etc, to even suggest the idea would be more likely to (wilfully) ignore it. |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks like Castro got into the act : |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| That's great to see, cheers. I'm sure the more rabid conspiracy theorists on other sites will say he's just a Zionist stooge who's said this to discredit the idea further... |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| faceless wrote: | | That's great to see, cheers. I'm sure the more rabid conspiracy theorists on other sites will say he's just a Zionist stooge who's said this to discredit the idea further... |
I do wish Castro focused more on the demolition of the Twin Towers and Building 7, and the shooting down of flight 93. But then he might have, and we are only seeing the "spin" from the mass media. |
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luke
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| that's a good one, Luke. I'd not heard anything about this control-centre plane before. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| faceless wrote: | | That's great to see, cheers. I'm sure the more rabid conspiracy theorists on other sites will say he's just a Zionist stooge who's said this to discredit the idea further... |
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Well you've probably seen today that Fidel Castro has stated that a missile hit the Pentagon, and that quite bluntly 9/11 was an inside job. It's being picked up by mainstream papers such as The Guardian
Now aligning truthers with "commies" is never going to be good for the truth movement, but something tells me this is all being set up.
A new Pentagon video gets released, showing a plane hitting the Pentagon - and then BOOM - the truth movement disintegrates faster than you can say Zionist Controlled Media.
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ok, it's not quite a complete winner, but it's pretty close...
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luke
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luke
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NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable
The National Institute for Standards and Technology has been forced to admit that the total free-fall collapse of the twin towers cannot be explained after an exhaustive scientific study, implicitly acknowledging that controlled demolition is the only means by which the buildings could have come down.
In a recent letter (PDF link) to 9/11 victim’s family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states, “We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.”
A 10,000 page scientific study only offers theories as to how the “collapse initiation” proceeded and fails to address how it was possible for part of a WTC structure to fall through the path of most resistance at freefall speed, completely violating the accepted laws of physics.
In addition, NIST’s own studies confirmed that virtually none of the steel in either tower reached temperatures hotter than 500 degrees. The point at which steel weakens is 1000 degrees and melting point is reached at 1,500 degrees, according to NIST itself.
“NIST’S 10,000-page report purports to explain what it calls “collapse initiation” — the loss of several floors’ vertical support,” writes Kevin Barrett of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. “In order to dream up this preposterous scenario, NIST had to ignore its own tests that showed that virtually none of the steel got hotter than 500 degrees f. It had to claim that somehow the planes took out many core columns, despite the fact that only a direct hit by an engine would have been likely to do so, and that the chances of this happening even once are fairly low. It had to preposterously allege that the plane that nicked the corner of the South Tower took out more core columns than the one that hit the North Tower almost dead center. It had to tweak all the parameters till they screamed bloody murder and say that the steel was far weaker than it actually was, the fire was far hotter than it actually was, the sagging was far greater than it actually was, and so on. And so NIST hallucinated a computer-generated fantasy scenario for “collapse initiation”–the failure of a few floors.”
“But how do you get from the failure of a few floors to total collapse at free-fall speed of the entire structure? The short answer: You don’t. Anyone with the slightest grasp of the laws of physics understands that even if all of the vertical supports on a few floors somehow failed catastrophically at exactly the same moment–a virtually impossible event, but one necessary to explain why the Towers would come straight down rather than toppling sideways–the top part of the building could not fall THROUGH the still-intact, highly robust lower part of the building, straight through the path of most resistance, just as fast as it would have fallen through thin air.”
“Thus total free-fall collapse, even given NIST’s ridiculous “initiation” scenario, is utterly impossible. The probability of it happening is exactly equal to the probability of the whole building suddenly falling upward and landing on the moon,” concludes Barrett.
NIST have yet to properly address the sudden freefall collapse of WTC Building 7, which imploded on the late afternoon of 9/11 despite not being hit by a jetliner.
In August 2006, NIST promised to scientifically evaluate whether explosive devices could have contributed to the 47-story building’s collapse but no answers have been forthcoming.
In August of this year, James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, called for an independent inquiry into NIST’s investigation of the collapse of the twin towers.
Quintiere said NIST’s conclusions were “questionable”, that they failed to follow standard scientific procedures and that their failure to address Building 7 belied the fact that the investigation was incomplete. |
from http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/nist-admits-total-collapse-of-twin-towers-unexplainable/1483/ |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I am sold on this ... it had to be internally placed explosives. |
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luke
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| i think it was, theres pictures of the building after it had collapsed which shows the big metal structure things, sliced diagonally - like clean cut - when they do demolitions they put some sort of explosive on them just like that to slice through it and bring them down |
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Mandy
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Exactly.. those "cutter" charges. I have followed the science over the last 6 years, and
I have no doubt about it.
But I have no time for the government shills who put out ridiculous stories (mis-information) like the pods on the planes, or the no-plane at the Pentagon theories. |
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