What exactly is the point of 24hr news channels if the BBC are going to cut away to repeat an Olympic ad, and Sky only repeat the same 2 minute clip over and over and over. If i hear the presenter say, "looking at the live shots of Tottenham Court Road" one more time... Thank god for a free press... Grrr...
there was live coverage on from when I looked at about 11:15pm and that continued for about an hour. I think it had all pretty much calmed down at that point - at least, when the bus burned itself out there weren't any more action shots for them to stick with.
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i was watching that clip u posted face !!!! Just reminds me of the 80s and Brixton riots ...The trouble these days is the darn cell phone and Flash mobs ....and uneducated youths ....all throw backs from the thatcher era ...Sad very Sad !!!!!
Doubts emerge over Duggan shooting as London burns Initial ballistics tests suggest bullet lodged in officer's radio during incident in Tottenham was police issue
Police officers wearing riot gear walk past a burning building in Tottenham
Doubts have emerged over whether Mark Duggan, whose death sparked the weekend's Tottenham riots, was shot in an exchange of fire with police as fresh violence broke out in London.
The Guardian understands that initial ballistics tests on a bullet, found lodged in a police radio worn by an officer during Thursday's incident, suggested it was police issue – and therefore had not been fired by Duggan.
The revelation came as trouble erupted in Enfield, north London, with a police car being vandalised and windows smashed in its high street.
On Saturday night 26 police officers were injured, eight requiring hospital treatment, in clashes with around 300 rioters in Tottenham which saw buildings and vehicles torched, shops looted and residents forced to flee their burning homes.
Police have arrested 55 people as a major investigation began into the terrifying and swift escalation of violence, which followed a peaceful demonstration to demand "justice" for Duggan, 29, a father-of-four shot dead on Thursday evening after being stopped in a taxi near Tottenham Hale. The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has launched an inquiry into the shooting.
Initial reports from the IPCC were that during an apparent exchange of fire police officers from C019 fired two shots and Duggan died at the scene. The suggestion was that officers could have come under fire from a minicab carrying Duggan. Much of this assumption came from the fact that a bullet had lodged in a police radio worn by an officer at the scene – raising speculation he might have been fired at from the vehicle. A non-police issue handgun was also recovered at the scene where Duggan was shot dead in Ferry Road.
The latest developments come as one community organiser suggested the handgun recovered was found in a sock and therefore not ready for use. It is likely to fuel anger on the streets of Tottenham and elsewhere in London if it provides evidence that officers were not under attack at the time they opened fire on Duggan.
The IPCC said on Sunday: "We await further forensic analysis to enable us to have a fuller and more comprehensive account of what shots were discharged, the sequence of events and what exactly happened. In the meantime we would request people are patient while we seek to find answers to the questions raised by this incident."
Gutted buildings were still smouldering in Tottenham on Sunday evening. Firefighters dealt with 49 primary fires receiving 264 999 calls between 9.30pm on Saturday and 4.30am on Sunday.
Two police cars and a double-decker bus were set alight. Three members of the public required hospital treatment.
In the chaos, brazen looting took place. Shop fronts were smashed in Tottenham Hale retail park as looters loaded car boots and trolleys with electrical goods, mobile phones, shoes and clothing. Looting spread to Wood Green where it continued until at least 5.30am.
Members of Duggan's family had been part of the peaceful demonstration to the police station in Totttenham on Saturday.
His fiancee, Semone Wilson, 29, said the family had not wanted trouble, only answers. Shaun Hall, Duggan's older brother, said the family did not condone "any kind of actions like that at all, or for this [action] to be taken in my brother's name".
On Sunday night thousands of police officers were drafted in from Thames Valley, Kent, Surrey, Essex, and City of London, in case of more violence. Tottenham MP David Lammy said the community "had the heart ripped out of it", by "mindless, mindless people", many of whom had come from outside Tottenham. He added: "There are questions about the nature of the escalation of this violence last night, and the nature of the policing that led up to it."
Downing Street labelled the rioting "utterly unacceptable". Home secretary Theresa May said: "Such disregard for public safety and property will not be tolerated."
Forensic examiners were slowly and painstakingly working their way through the crime scene as part of the police investigation codenamed Operation Withern. Officers from the homicide and serious crime command, and specialist investigators from the public order branch were reviewing CCTV footage and taking witness statements.
A series of crisis meetings was held at Scotland Yard as acting commissioner Tim Godwin and other senior officers assessed the damage, and how the force had been "taken by suprise" over the swiftness and scale of its loss of control of the streets.
Metropolitan police commander Adrian Hanstock said they had "not anticipated" the extreme level of violence. "Last night's peaceful demonstration was hijacked by a small number of criminal elements, who used that for their own gain. Duggan's death was "extremely regrettable" and subject to an IPCC inquiry, he said.
Asked if police were undermanned, he said: "We kept a very dignified presence at the vigil [by Duggan's family], there was no indication that there would be anything other than a peaceful demonstration.
"The level of violence escalated absolutely disproportionately".
IPCC Commissioner Rachel Cerfontyne met Duggan's relatives on Sunday. She said: "Speculation that Mark Duggan was 'assassinated' in an execution style involving a number of shots to the head are categorically untrue. Following the formal identification of the body Mr Duggan's family know that this is not the case and I would ask anyone reporting this to be aware of its inaccuracy and its inflammatory nature."
She went on to appeal for calm and added: "The distress that Mr Duggan's family are in the midst of is understandable but the violence and disorder we have witnessed over the last 24 hours can never be acceptable."
Residents, driven from their burning homes, had lost everything. Stuart Radose had to flee his flat above a Carpetright shop in Tottenham High Road as fire ravaged the building. "We've gone back this morning and it's a complete shell," he told Sky News. "Everything we had is gone. It's just mad. So many people have lost everything. It's just crazy. It looks like it's the second world war. It looks like the Blitz where we were living."
He said he had watched from his balcony as "things were getting worse and worse". "There didn't seem to be a police presence at all," he added. "Buildings seemed to be allowed to burn. I guess they couldn't get there.
"I think we've probably spent our last night in Tottenham. We're just in shock."
What exactly is the point of 24hr news channels if the BBC are going to cut away to repeat an Olympic ad, and Sky only repeat the same 2 minute clip over and over and over. If i hear the presenter say, "looking at the live shots of Tottenham Court Road" one more time... Thank god for a free press... Grrr...
when it was first starting - long before sky and bbc even noticed ( and the met initially were denying there was any trouble! ) i was hearing it on london radio and their coverage blew away the television news. loads of calls from people who'd seen what had been happening with the protest earlier in the day, people who were watching the first police cars going up, the first shops getting looted etc
later when the tv news caught up, you got the same sort of video and they seemed to keep talking to the same type of people - just ex police
Second night of violence in London – and this time it was organised Police deployed to deal with trouble in Enfield and Brixton, plus reports of disturbances in Dalston and Walthamstow
There was mounting evidence on Sunday night that some of the second night of rioting in London was part of an orchestrated plan, as violent disturbances broke out sporadically across parts of the capital.
Police in riot gear were deployed across the city to deal with trouble in Enfield, six miles north of the site of riots in Tottenham, while looters later pillaged shops in Brixton.
The scenes in Enfield, while reminiscent of Saturday night's clashes, were smaller in scale, and they took place from about 7pm.
Teenagers gathered on St Andrews Road – said to have been a preplanned destination – broke down walls on terraced streets so they could collect bricks to throw at police. About a dozen shops were ransacked and a police car smashed on Church Street. Riot police moved in to secure the area and train station.
Shortly after 8.30pm, a crowd of about 100 mainly teenage boys broke into a jewellery store. When police arrived less than a minute later, there were chaotic scenes, with a number of people struck with batons and attacked by dogs.
Resident Mizu Rahman, 34, said a plainclothes police officer had told him at around 2pm that there was intelligence that disorder was imminent. "The officer came down the street warning us there would be trouble," he said. "He showed me his ID. He said, 'Do you live here?' I said yes. He said, 'St Andrews Road is going to be the frontline tonight'."
There was no obvious reason why the rioting should have spread to Enfield, which is in the outskirts of north London.
Rahman, an engineer, said he had seen a message on Facebook that Enfield would be "next on the hitlist".
At 9.30pm, Met police and reinforcements from Kent began turning the whole of Enfield into a sterile area. Hundreds of riot police arrived with vans and police dogs, charging at groups of teenagers, who melted into sidestreets. They smashed cars and shop windows as they ran.
Some teenagers knew exactly where they were heading, saying the plan was to go to Ponders End. A large crowd of youths then sprinted west, attacking a retail park and shops. Among them was a closed Tesco Extra store. Workers inside described hearing windows smashing as dozens of youths poured into the store. "They left carrying TVs, alcohol – they were stuffing trolleys," said one supermarket worker.
Unlike the previous night's disturbances, riot police were on the scene in large numbers. Their stance was also more aggressive, with baton charges and dogs used to disperse crowds.
At 11pm, on a nearby road called Elizabeth Ride, a young man was stabbed under the arm. He could walk to an ambulance but his friends refused to talk to police and disappeared, shouting: "Why would we talk to feds? You're the reason this is happening."
Amid evidence that locals were turning against the rioters, one young woman, aged about 20, was in tears, shouting: "What are you doing? Is this how you pay your respects to Mark? Is this what he would have wanted?"
The leader of Enfield council, Doug Taylor said he believed disturbances there were linked to events in Tottenham. He said: "There's got to be a link to that extent that it's the day after and the police are hugely well organised in Tottenham so maybe this was seen as the place to have a second night."
In Brixton, crowds attending a daytime festival were good-natured but gangs of youths ransacked shops in the area as darkness fell. Branches of Vodafone, Footlocker and H&M were all targeted by looters, who made off in scooters and cars. Police in riot gear were pushing people up Brixton High Street at around 1am.
Elsewhere, there were reports of disturbances in areas including Dalston and Walthamstow.
The latter area's local Labour MP, Stella Creasy, said that branches of Argos, BHS and Barclays were all attacked, while angry locals said that looters asked them for directions to shops and banks.
The Metropolitan police said on Twitter on Sunday night: "Police are responding to a significant amount of criminal activity across London and are deploying officers to tackle it."
Beasts....the pigs are trashing one of my fav cities. Where are the police? Where is the military? Send in the tanks, that will stop those animals. I am so angry with those responsible. If it is actually about the young man shot, it is an absolutely unacceptable reaction to an unfortunate incident and why then are there problems in B'ham?
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