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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Chavez to U.S.: 'Go to hell, gringos!' Reply with quote

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- President Hugo Chavez returned to his weekly radio and TV broadcast Sunday, extolling the ideals of socialist thinker Karl Marx and telling U.S. officials to "Go to hell!" for what he called unacceptable meddling in Venezuela's affairs.

Chavez defended his government's effort to establish a socialist model and rejected U.S. concerns over a measure to grant him broad lawmaking powers, saying: "Go to hell, gringos! Go home!"

The National Assembly, controlled by the president's political allies, is expected to give final approval this week to what it calls the "enabling law," which would grant Chavez authority to pass a series of laws by decree during an 18-month period.

On Friday, U.S. State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey said that Chavez's plans under the law "have caused us some concern."

Chavez, who this month announced plans to nationalize Venezuela's main telecommunications company and the electricity and natural gas sectors, says the law will permit profound changes in areas ranging from the economy to defense.

Relations between Caracas and Washington have been tense since a 2002 coup that briefly ousted Chavez, who accused the U.S. government of playing a role in the putsch. The Bush administration has repeatedly denied involvement, but recognized an interim government established by coup leaders.

Criticizing excessive consumption and self-indulgence, Chavez also announced plans to raise domestic gasoline prices and approve a new tax on luxury goods such as private yachts, second homes and extravagant automobiles.

"The one who will pay is the one who fills up the BMW," Chavez said of the gasoline tax.

He did not give details of the gasoline price hike, which he said would not affect bus drivers who provide public transportation, or the luxury tax. He said revenue from the new measures would be put toward government social programs.

In Venezuela -- one of the world's leading petroleum exporters -- gasoline costs as little as 12 cents a gallon thanks to government subsidies.


Fond wishes for Castro, comments on Hussein


In typical style, Chavez spoke for hours Sunday on his return after a five-month hiatus to the weekly program "Hello President," sending best wishes to ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro and commenting on topics ranging from watching dancing Brazilian girls wearing string bikinis at a recent presidential summit and Washington's alleged role in the hanging of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"They took out Saddam Hussein and they hanged him, for good or worse. It's not up to me to judge any government, but that gentleman was the president of that country," Chavez said.

Chavez urged Venezuelans to embrace "21st-century socialism," which he said aims to curtail what he sees as U.S. cultural domination and redistribute the country's oil wealth to the poor through programs that provide subsidized food and cash benefits for single mothers.

"Socialism isn't going to fall from the sky. We are going to understand it, work on it, plant it, sweat it," said Chavez, praising Marx's ideals. "Socialism is built on practice."

Chavez said government officials were considering new legislation that would force businesses to set aside several hours a week for employees to study, and he recommended they read leaflets outlining socialist concepts.

A vociferous former paratroop commander who revels in the role of talk-show host, Chavez suspended "Hello President" over five months ago, saying that broadcasting the weekly program would have constituted unfair use of state airtime ahead of December's presidential election.

Chavez was re-elected to a six-year term in a landslide vote.

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I loved the headline of this article, and although I might not agree with what the man stands for in it's entirety, he's got the right idea by telling the U.S. to piss off and keep their noses out of his country's business.

Who in the hell does the U.S. government think they are that they have any say in how another country is governed? They should perhaps take time in cleaning up their own f*cked up mess before trying to dictate to other countries, and who made them the policing board of the world?

I hope Chavez thumbs his nose at everything they stand for and establishes what he feels is right for his own country...and it's obvious it's what the citizens want or he'd not of been voted in on a landslide.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a star!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like him too.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skylace wrote:
I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.


I think there's a vast difference between calling someone a wetback and a gringo. Doesn't gringo simply mean "white man"? I could be wrong of course, but I've never known a white guy to be pilloried on international media for being a gringo before, but I've certainly heard plenty of bigotted arseholes calling people wetbacks in the most derogoratory sense.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

faceless wrote:
Skylace wrote:
I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.


I think there's a vast difference between calling someone a wetback and a gringo. Doesn't gringo simply mean "white man"? I could be wrong of course, but I've never known a white guy to be pilloried on international media for being a gringo before, but I've certainly heard plenty of bigotted arseholes calling people wetbacks in the most derogoratory sense.


A bit like calling someone "paleface" isn't it? I'm sure if what he said WAS racist it would be all over the world media and America would have declared war on Venezuala.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

faceless wrote:
Skylace wrote:
I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.


I think there's a vast difference between calling someone a wetback and a gringo. Doesn't gringo simply mean "white man"? I could be wrong of course, but I've never known a white guy to be pilloried on international media for being a gringo before, but I've certainly heard plenty of bigotted arseholes calling people wetbacks in the most derogoratory sense.

It is biggoted. To people who don't live in this area it may sound no worse than being called a "honkey" but believe me, growing up here being in junior high and high school. It's bad.

Think about it, calling someone a "mick" down here wouldn't mean a bloody thing to anyone.

When I was called "gringa" no one was trying to be nice about it and it was never in play. You can look up the definition but it means nothing really as that. Gringo here can be as offensive as "nigger" and "wet back".
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bat wrote:
faceless wrote:
Skylace wrote:
I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.


I think there's a vast difference between calling someone a wetback and a gringo. Doesn't gringo simply mean "white man"? I could be wrong of course, but I've never known a white guy to be pilloried on international media for being a gringo before, but I've certainly heard plenty of bigotted arseholes calling people wetbacks in the most derogoratory sense.


A bit like calling someone "paleface" isn't it? I'm sure if what he said WAS racist it would be all over the world media and America would have declared war on Venezuala.

Not everyone all over America is going to be upset by it. But those of us who have grown up close to Mexico and in a large hispanic population know it for the mean term it is.

There are slangs for things that may not translate.

Not to mention is it right to call someone a "paleface"? I don't call the Native Americans around here "Red Indians" or "Redface" they would find that hurtful and racist.

I'm not going to defend a man for being a bigot. End of.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skylace wrote:
faceless wrote:
Skylace wrote:
I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.


I think there's a vast difference between calling someone a wetback and a gringo. Doesn't gringo simply mean "white man"? I could be wrong of course, but I've never known a white guy to be pilloried on international media for being a gringo before, but I've certainly heard plenty of bigotted arseholes calling people wetbacks in the most derogoratory sense.

It is biggoted. To people who don't live in this area it may sound no worse than being called a "honkey" but believe me, growing up here being in junior high and high school. It's bad.

Think about it, calling someone a "mick" down here wouldn't mean a bloody thing to anyone.

When I was called "gringa" no one was trying to be nice about it and it was never in play. You can look up the definition but it means nothing really as that. Gringo here can be as offensive as "nigger" and "wet back".


Yikes I had no idea it was seen as such a bad term. I thought it meant more like 'arsehole' or something and faceless told me in chat yesterday what the real meaning was...of both gringo and wetback.

.....and about being called a mick. I've been called that since I was a wee child and my only response to that would be 'thanks for noticing!'
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IRiSHMaFIA wrote:
Skylace wrote:
faceless wrote:
Skylace wrote:
I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.


I think there's a vast difference between calling someone a wetback and a gringo. Doesn't gringo simply mean "white man"? I could be wrong of course, but I've never known a white guy to be pilloried on international media for being a gringo before, but I've certainly heard plenty of bigotted arseholes calling people wetbacks in the most derogoratory sense.

It is biggoted. To people who don't live in this area it may sound no worse than being called a "honkey" but believe me, growing up here being in junior high and high school. It's bad.

Think about it, calling someone a "mick" down here wouldn't mean a bloody thing to anyone.

When I was called "gringa" no one was trying to be nice about it and it was never in play. You can look up the definition but it means nothing really as that. Gringo here can be as offensive as "nigger" and "wet back".


Yikes I had no idea it was seen as such a bad term. I thought it meant more like 'arsehole' or something and faceless told me in chat yesterday what the real meaning was...of both gringo and wetback.

.....and about being called a mick. I've been called that since I was a wee child and my only response to that would be 'thanks for noticing!'


Basically gringo is telling you that you're worthless scum. A piece of shit on the bottom of their shoe that needs to be scrapped off. It's a myth that it means "white man".

For me I don't like any of those terms used. And I personally feel if you have to result to name calling to get your point across then you're not a very intelligent person.

It's terrible you were called mick and I am glad that you had the sense of how to handle it. thumbs
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Skylace wrote:
IRiSHMaFIA wrote:
Skylace wrote:
faceless wrote:
Skylace wrote:
I can understand his point of view and think he has every right to protect his country and governments interests, but I don't like the word gringo being used at all. I know if we were to call him "wet back" it would be just as offensive. Having racist slurs used just makes him a bigot in my eyes and I have no use for them.


I think there's a vast difference between calling someone a wetback and a gringo. Doesn't gringo simply mean "white man"? I could be wrong of course, but I've never known a white guy to be pilloried on international media for being a gringo before, but I've certainly heard plenty of bigotted arseholes calling people wetbacks in the most derogoratory sense.

It is biggoted. To people who don't live in this area it may sound no worse than being called a "honkey" but believe me, growing up here being in junior high and high school. It's bad.

Think about it, calling someone a "mick" down here wouldn't mean a bloody thing to anyone.

When I was called "gringa" no one was trying to be nice about it and it was never in play. You can look up the definition but it means nothing really as that. Gringo here can be as offensive as "nigger" and "wet back".


Yikes I had no idea it was seen as such a bad term. I thought it meant more like 'arsehole' or something and faceless told me in chat yesterday what the real meaning was...of both gringo and wetback.

.....and about being called a mick. I've been called that since I was a wee child and my only response to that would be 'thanks for noticing!'


Basically gringo is telling you that you're worthless scum. A piece of shit on the bottom of their shoe that needs to be scrapped off. It's a myth that it means "white man".

For me I don't like any of those terms used. And I personally feel if you have to result to name calling to get your point across then you're not a very intelligent person.

It's terrible you were called mick and I am glad that you had the sense of how to handle it. thumbs


That's probably the nicest thing I was called, but being raised in N.I. that's to be expected lol You have to take it with a grain of salt and all that shite doesn't bother me anyway.

You're spot on about what you said with getting your point across by name calling. It's always represented to me that the person hasn't anything more intelligent to say, so they do themselves more a disservice at the end of the day.

I fully understand your point now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, Sky, knowing that then fair enough - but maybe he's got good reason to be so insulting? What with America trying to have his nation excluded by other south American countries, because they need the oil the country produces and will do anything to maintain that, while ignoring the fact that he was fairly elected I think he's got perfectly good reason to be as rude as he likes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, Sky, knowing that then fair enough - but maybe he's got good reason to be so insulting? What with America trying to have his nation excluded by other south American countries, because they need the oil the country produces and will do anything to maintain that, while ignoring the fact that he was fairly elected I think he's got perfectly good reason to be as rude as he likes.

In my book and the way I was raised you never are insulting like that. I don't care. Like I said before if you can think of nothing more to say than a racist slur then you're not smart enough to think of something else. I guess if that's the case we shouldn't be offended when we hear some one from the Middle East call a Jew a "kike" or if one of my Indian friends calls someone a "Paki" I should just say "That's okay. They have that right because of what their countries do to each other"

And I have no problems with what he said the US Government was doing. What my government is trying to do is wrong. But his term was offensive and there isn't an excuse.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the comment was any worse than generations of american politicans calling Soviets "Russkies", so if they want to play that game then so be it.

Anyway, the fact that health, education and social security are all improving drastically for the average Venezuelan under Chavez is far more important than anything he says on the global stage and if he could just get on with it without negative American influence then he wouldn't feel the need to tell them to go to hell.
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faceless wrote:
I don't think the comment was any worse than generations of american politicans calling Soviets "Russkies", so if they want to play that game then so be it.

Anyway, the fact that health, education and social security are all improving drastically for the average Venezuelan under Chavez is far more important than anything he says on the global stage and if he could just get on with it without negative American influence then he wouldn't feel the need to tell them to go to hell.


Then two wrongs make a right? When will we start to learn that the only way to make sure these things stop is to end them full stop.
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