EDL graffiti found on north London mosque destroyed in ‘suspicious blaze’
5 Jun 2013
English Defence League graffiti was found on the side of a north London mosque destroyed in a fire that police are treating as ‘suspicious’. The Met’s Counter-Terrorism Command unit is leading an investigation into the blaze and looking at any potential connection between the graffiti and the fire.
The two-storey community centre in Muswell Hill, which is also listed as a mosque, was left partially collapsed after the blaze engulfed the building in the early hours of this morning, causing ‘extensive damage’. Six fire engines and around 35 firefighters were dispatched to the building which houses the Al-Rahma Islamic Centre and Somali Bravanese Welfare Association.
Police confirmed ‘EDL’ graffiti was scrawled on the side of the building. ‘Police were called by London Fire Brigade at 3.25am on Wednesday June 5 to reports of a fire at a community centre on Coppetts Road, N10,’ a Scotland Yard spokesman said. ‘Police, London Ambulance Service and London Fire Brigade attended. No one has been reported injured at this time. The cause of the fire is currently under investigation and is being treated as suspicious at this stage.’ One woman from a nearby property suffered shock and was treated at the scene, London Ambulance Service said.
Mohamed Ali, of Somali charity BritSom, said he believed the fire is linked to the Woolwich attack. ‘The place has been absolutely destroyed,’ he told the Evening Standard. ‘The community is shocked and very distressed because they have been here in peace for the past 20 years. The building is a centre for the comunity, it is used as a mosque, a gathering place for Somalis to meet up and as a school for young children to learn Arabic. This is shocking but it will not break the community as a whole, I would appeal to the people who did this to come and sit down with us and have a dialogue. That is the only way forward.’
Police say they will work closely with the Somali and Islamic communities to provide support and reassurance. Borough Chief Superintendent Adrian Usher said: ‘I have spoken to community leaders and assured them that a thorough investigation is being conducted. The safety of our communities is always our priority and we are consulting widely, offering our support and reassurance. All communities can be confident that they have our support and I can be contacted personally to answer their concerns.’
EDL terrorist scum. They've really set the bar now.
Pamela Geller And Robert Spencer Banned From The UK By Home Office, Due To Speak At EDL Woolwich Rally
Two US far-right activists have been banned from the UK, in a personal intervention from Home Secretary Theresa May, after a concerted campaign to stop the two addressing an English Defence League rally in Woolwich. The Huffington Post reported last week that anti-fascist campaigners Hope Not Hate sent a petition to the Home Secretary to stop two anti-Islam activists, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer from America speaking at an EDL rally in Woolwich, where Drummer Lee Rigby was murdered. And Labour MP Keith Vaz, chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee, told HuffPost UK he wrote to Theresa May, calling on her to stop the two coming to spread division in Britain.
Geller and Spencer have both now posted a letter from the Home Office on their respective blogs, a letter which warns them against against travelling to the UK. The Home Office confirmed to HuffPost UK that the two had been banned from entry. "The Home Secretary will seek to exclude an individual if she considers that his or her presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good," a spokesman said. “We condemn all those whose behaviours and views run counter to our shared values and will not stand for extremism in any form.”
The letter to Geller and Spencer, marked 'Private and Confidential', was sent on Tuesday. It highlighted two quotes from Geller that informed May's decision. "Al-Qaeda is a manifestation of devout Islam... it is Islam" and "If the Jew dies, the Muslims will dies as well: their survival depends on their constant jihad, because without it they will lose the meaning and purpose of their existence". It reads: "After careful consideration, she [the Home Secretary] personally directed that you should be excluded from the United Kingdom on the grounds that your presence here is not conducive to the public good. The Home Secretary has reached this decision because you have brought yourself within the scope of the list of unacceptable behaviours by making statements that may foster hatred which might lead to inter-community violence in the UK."
Atlas Shrugs' Geller and Jihad Watch's Spencer, two prominent bloggers who founded the 'Stop The Islamization of America' campaign, gained worldwide notoriety for their anti-Islam subway posters in New York. The signs read, 'In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad'.
The Home Officer letter described SIOA as an "anti-Muslim hate group" and goes on to say that the government expects Geller to "continue to espose such views in the UK" and says Geller is "instructed not to travel to the UK as you would be refused admission on arrival." There is no right to appeal the decision, but it may be reviewed in three to five years, the Home Office said.
Geller and Spencer said in joint response: "In a striking blow against freedom, the British government has banned us from entering the country. Muhammad al-Arefe, who has advocated Jew-hatred, wife-beating, and jihad violence, entered the UK recently with no difficulty. In not allowing us into the country solely because of our true and accurate statements about Islam, the British government is behaving like a de facto Islamic state. The nation that gave the world the Magna Carta is dead." This is victory for common sense and people power," Hope Not Hate's Nick Lowles told HuffPost UK. "26,000 signed a HOPE not hate petition in just four days and this led others to also call for these anti-Muslim haters to be banned. The Home Secretary rightly viewed Pam Geller and Robert Spencer as a threat to community cohesion. Now, we need to re-double our efforts to bring our communities together in a positive and lasting way."
The EDL's Tommy Robinson took to Twitter to lament the ban, saying: "It's embarrassing for this so-called land of democracy and freedom of speech, I'm just gobsmacked. How many hate preachers are living in this country? It just shows what sort of a two-tier system we have here."
Vaz welcomed the ban, saying: "This is the right decision. The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate."
Hope Not Hate are believed to have compiled a dossier of Geller and Spencer's most inflammatory rhetoric to send to the Home Secretary. The letter sent from Hope Not Hate to May calling for them to be banned reads: "We believe that their [Spencer and Geller's] ultimate objective is to incite hatred against all Muslims and the consequences of their very presence in the UK will give encouragement to racists and extremists, who seek to use the awful murder of Drummer Lee Rigby to further their hateful agenda. "Geller and Spencer are the most prominent anti-Muslim activists in the United States and their organisation, the American Freedom Defense Initiative, is widely considered a hate organisation. It recently placed adverts on the transport systems of several cities calling Muslims 'savages'. We believe that there is no place for such hate in the United Kingdom."
The EDL is planning a march to mark Armed Forces Day on June 29, ending in Woolwich where soldier Drummer Lee Rigby was murdered last month.
I've been an ex-pat for getting-on 15 years now, but I see this as a gray area and perhaps the thin end on a nasty Orwellian-type wedge:
IF these were people from the UK, born and bred, shouldn't they have a right to say whatever they want (speaker's corner, freedom of speech etc.)? It would be a tough call to class it as incitement to riot before they opened their mouths.
AS they are not from the UK, does this mean that the government can now use speculation to decide who they will or will not let in, depending on what they think they might say and how they think people might react?
Is the next step Chinese-style internet or broadcasting censorship to prevent them "phoning it in" instead? If I were these guys, subject to a ban like this, I'd be thinking of setting-up huge screens so thousands could watch a live video instead (if they could be bothered turned-up ). That would also generate a lot of publicity.
BTW Faceless - I wait to be flamed for this, just like the time I suggested Dawkins was correct that babies can't be born to a particular religion. :p Hehe
Manic Street Preachers take legal action against English Defence League The far-right group used one of the band's songs to promote an upcoming demonstration
Manic Street Preachers are taking legal action against the English Defence League for using their song 'If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next' to promote an upcoming demonstration in Birmingham.
Ironically, the song - taken from the band's 1998 album 'This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours' - took its name from an anti-fascist slogan used during the Spanish Civil War and has now been used by the far-right group in a video about one of their demos. The song famously features the lyric: "So if I can shoot rabbits/Then I can shoot fascists".
Michael Wongsam, the Chair of West Midlands Unite Against Fascism said in a statement: "We are appalled to discover that the racist and fascist English Defence League has used the anti-fascist song 'If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next' by the band the Manic Street Preachers…This song takes its title from an anti-fascist slogan used during the Spanish Civil War where anti-racists and anti-fascists from all over Europe tried to stop Franco’s fascists from taking over the country."
He adds that West Midlands Unite Against Fascism will be stating a counter protest on July 20. "We want to have a peaceful counter demonstration on the day to show that Birmingham is a united, multicultural and peaceful community that does not want a group of racist and fascist thugs intimidating or attacking Muslims or any other minority group in our city."
A spokesperson for the Manics told NME that the band were "horrified" that their track was being used in the promo and that the label requested the video was taken down immediately.
Berlin citizens face off racist groups
July 12th 2013
Reasonable citizens in Berlin are starting to offer support to refugees set to be housed in their district - after racists and neo-Nazis dominated a meeting about the plans, implicitly threatening to burn the refugees out. A former school - which closed due to a lack of local children - is due to be converted into a home for around 400 refugees in the Marzahn-Hellersdorf area of Berlin. The plan has been greeted with hostility from some locals and sparked a campaign from members of the neo-Nazi NPD party.
An information event organized by the local council on Tuesday evening was dominated by members of the Berlin NPD party, the leader of which Sebastian Schmidtke held up a sign reading "Asylum home? No thanks." He was joined by fellow NPD members from across the city, the Berliner Zeitung newspaper reported. More than the police estimated 800 people showed up, most of them not interested in the information but more intent on domination, the paper said. Repeated shouts of "Germany for Germans", "No to the home" and "What do I care for others' suffering?" interrupted those trying to speak.
"The atmosphere reminded me strongly of Rostock-Lichtenhagen where the asylum homes were burned," said Petra Pau, vice president of the Bundestag lower house of parliament, whose constituency is in the area. She said she had spotted men wearing T-shirts printed with Lichtenhagen and the dates of the 1992 pogroms there - and told the police. Local residents were not neo-Nazis themselves, but were being used by those who were, she said.
Yet in a heartening twist, other people have started to organize support for the project and the people who would eventually live there. The Facebook page "Hellersdorf helps asylum-seekers" (Hellersdorf hilft Asylbewerbern) had, by Friday lunchtime, attracted the support of nearly 5,000 people. The site warns of what it calls a dangerous atmosphere developing in Hellersdorf, and an “ominous” citizens' initiative against the refugee home.
The group says it aims to help to offer those fleeing war and daily terror a humane place to live, and the chance to integrate into society. "We are doing what should be done - regarding refugees as people, not as potential criminals, or a threat, or a burden," the site says.
The NPD is organizing several rallies around Berlin on Saturday morning to try to strengthen the mood against homes for refugees. Various groups including Hellersdorf hilft Asylbewerbern are calling for people to go to the rallies to take part in counter-demonstrations.
EDL thugs must be prosecuted for threats to journalist Members of the English Defence League have been strongly condemned for harassment and threats of violence targeted at a young reporter.
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Sarah Marshall, a trainee reporter on the Doncaster Free Press, was threatened on the Casuals United website, over an incident at an EDL rally in Sheffield six weeks ago. The website has a picture of her and the threat: "If Miss Marshall is not dealt with we will be outside Doncaster Free Press until she is." The site gave contact details of the Doncaster Free Press.
The EDL accused her of ripping up flowers which had been laid at Sheffield cenotaph in honour of drummer Lee Rigby. A video from the event has been posted on the site. Not only is the accusation incorrect, the woman in the video is not Sarah Marshall. Sarah has been supported by her newspaper. She has been told to not to go to the paper's office for her safety. The NUJ is also giving Sarah all the support she needs. Yorkshire police will be putting out a statement on the incident.
Michelle Stanistreet, NUJ general secretary, said: "This is absolutely disgraceful. These thugs should be sought by the police and prosecuted. The NUJ will not tolerate these serious threats. This harassment of Sarah and other staff on the newspaper must be taken seriously. We are offering Sarah all the support we can. This is yet another example of the EDL’s record of targeting the press. We know from experience that the EDL has attacked journalists and its members are capable of following up these threats. Attempts to prevent journalists working constitute a serious attack on press freedom and individual liberty; it must be dealt with.”
Far-right EDL marches could be banned in East Yorkshire
Aug 19, 2013
The English Defense League face a blanket protest ban in the East Yorkshire region of the UK after an EDL thug battered a man for unfurling a banner promoting multiculturalism. The incident on Sunday happened during an EDL march in the city of Hull, East Yorkshire, in front of horrified onlookers from the public. The assault left the man hospitalized with concussion and ten stitches to his head as the 46-year-old EDL member was detained and led away by the police.
Now, deputy leader of Hull city Council Daren Hale says he will demand the police place a blanket ban on EDL marches across East Yorkshire. "It is completely unacceptable and this is the sort of thing we were worried about. I think these should be banned now,” he said. "I will always want to defend people's freedom of speech but, in my opinion, the intention of this march was to cause distress and upset in our community and that is exactly what happened,” he added. The 300-strong march led to four arrests of EDL members as drunk thugs threw beer at the public as they passed them by.
The British government has so far avoided a blanket ban on EDL marches under freedom of protest justifications. The group is widely despised by the public for their acts of violence, preaching of anti-Muslim hatred and crude behavior on the street, not to mention their frequent role in triggering street clashes, including with the police.
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