Galloway on UK Child Poverty

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These are the constituency figures:

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People that don't want to work should stop having children.

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but who then would we send to die in wars for the sake of maintaining the rich and middle-classes?

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I don't have the figures but anecdotally in Britain the troops who volunteer mainly seem to come from working class families rather than non working underclass ones.

Anyway could we not just send more Ghurkas....? ;)

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when was the last time you met a 'working class' family in Glasgow?

Ghurkas are still pretty cheap, but I doubt they're cheaper than a brainwashed kid from a scheme.

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At the last family occasion I went to...

I dunno I think in the US where people join up to get a tertiary education or healthcare for their family you have a better argument.

The British army would fit into Hampden and I think a fair amount of them joined up for the adventure and excitement. At this stage after 5 years you can't say they didn't know they would end up shooting people in a couple of dumb unpopular wars...

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So, in what what way are your family better than an other family who aren't working in a society that requries an underclass? You must know that clip from The Frost Report "'I look up to him because he is upper class but I look down on him because he is lower class"? Nowadays there are more classes to add, including the ultra wealthy and the ultra poor. I don't look up to, nor down on anyone but the wilfully ignorant.

The only intelligent soldier is one who gets out at the earliest opportunity.

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That sketch is no longer valid.

Nowadays it's 'I look up to him because he was on Big Brother but down on her because I screwed a footballer'.

I don't believe society needs an underclass and its a kop out for a lot of people who are wasters and wilfully ignorant. This isn't the 80s and there are plenty of jobs for people especially for people who live in London they just think that they are above them. They subtract the benefits lost from the wages earnt and decide that a life of afternoon TV and a few things on the black economy are a much better option.

Anyhoo it's nice that GG on £300k a year has finally noticed that he now has a constituency with poor people in it.

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Who's to say what's a waster though? I consider someone who takes a job in a call centre in order that they an go on holiday to Majorca and drive around in a Corsa to be a complete waster (my time). They give almost nothing of value to society and are shown to be as unhappy as any kind of worker ever has been. At least in manufacturing times the workers could see the result of their labour, yet these arses will coldcall strangers and get offended when you tell them to fuck off!

They bother me a lot more than those who have contempt for the government, no matter who's running it.

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I don't get the point. Would they not be a waster if they took a bus around Cuba?

If they add nothing to society then they are at zero which is a lot better than subtracting from society by not working if you are able.

Plus I think a lot of people would be unhappy with you putting all call centre jobs in the same category as cold sales.

This manufacturing golden age is BS anyway. People on benefits now have a much higher standard of living than engineers in the 1960s or 1970s, I should know my dad was one.

GG talking about Victorian living conditions is just crazy hyperbolic bollocks. Poverty calculations are based on a percentage of the average wage which guarantees that some people must live in 'poverty'. Did you know that just over 49% of people have a below average wage?

You can have cable TV and a car not work and live in poverty in Britain by this standard, it's just silly. By these standards as a child I grew up in abject poverty. It's a crock and quite frankly offensive when you think of how real poverty affects hundreds of millions in the world where it's about food rather than how many hand controls you have for your XBox.

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"People on benefits now have a much higher standard of living than engineers in the 1960s or 1970s, I should know my dad was one."

that depends on the type of engineer, but it's basically bollocks. How many normal people in Partick, for example, who have no other income than benefits can afford to run a car as a normally paid engineer could in the 60s? My own father was a psychiatric nurse and did a one-man protest cycle protest to London to improve conditions... he was on £25 a month with 3 kids at the time. I'll need to look out that photo...

The renovations in Easterhouse are a great example of this fallacy - all the houses that looked onto the motorway were renovated and the people who lived there were delighted, creating an impression of improvement - but those who lived in the streets behind them were left to rot.

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It's not bollocks. One shitty TV, a 10 year old car, cheap food no hoidays abroad and my folks couldn't afford to go to the pub.

Secondly to put it bluntly If you live in Partick you shouldn't be living on benefits.

When my brother who works as an NHS lab scientist moved from Maryhill to Partick the kids of the neighbours threw stones at him shouting 'you fucking snob'.

I remember seeing the same thing you describe with the renovations happen in Castlemilk in the late 80s when it was on my daily bus commute but the flipside was at the time it looked like Cape Canaveral with all the hundreds of satellite dishes when I didn't know anyone who worked that had Sky.

Able people that won't work serve no purpose.

Forget the illegal wars and so forth all the tax you've ever paid in your life probably only supports less than half of one of them.

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Well what is the real problem?

Say for example you have someone that has a house paid for by welfare i.e everyone who works, that has 3 bedrooms and they decide to have another 3 kids.

Now it's Victorian Britain(apart from the hunger, cold, lack of education, no healthcare etc etc.) because the house is too small.

Is it the kids fault - no but it's not good is it?

Life and nature are cruel where do we draw the line....?

If you know the answer to that then some sort of Nobel prize is on it's way...